Philly, Boxing, and the movie "Creed" with Cutman "Joey Eye"

The Boxing Breakdown's Host, Mark Roxey caught up with Cutman, Actor, Manager, Promoter, Trainer, and Hall of Fame inductee, Mr. Joey Eye for a fun and insightful look into the life of one of boxing's most interesting personalities. Philadelphia native"Joey "Eye"is a former pro boxer. pro wrestler,national arm wrestling champ. and 41 yrs veteran of the sport of boxing.

Joey was the former owner of numerous boxing gyms and professional cutman for boxing/mma for over 25 yrs. He is the 15 time PA. Cutman of the yr and was inducted into The Atlantic City Boxing Hall Of Fame in 2012. The PA Boxing Hall of Fame, in 2015 and the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame in j2017.  Joey Eye was enshrined in the filitalia italian immigrant museum in philly in 2018.  He can be seen in over 100 films including Rocky 2 , Rocky 5, Rocky Balboa & Creed.  Joey served as the the technical advisor & played himself in the movie Creed. 

He has worked with the likes of Tim Witherspoon, Tim Witherspoon Jr., Chazz Witherspoon, Ivan Robinson, Bruce Seldon, Jackie Frazier, Sergei Kovolev, Chad Dawson, Tony Ferrante, Anthony Caputo, Chuck Musaccio, Christian Carto, Sonny Conto, Thomas Lamanna. among hundreds more. Check out this amazing podcast and if you like please, share, like and give it a 5* rating in Apple Podcast.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Program Introduction
• 0:46 News
• 11:03 Introduction of Joey Eye
• 14:39 Joey Eye Interview
• 37:56 Joey and the Movies
• 1:07:02 Kovolov

Transcript

Walter Waite : 0:11

Fight fans worldwide, you tuned into the number one

Mark Roxey : 0:50

up what's up what's up?

Joey Eye : 14:47

not too much at this moment. But you know, with all this COVID mess but just keeping on keeping on? Yeah, so you down in Philly, right? Yeah. How's it down there? That's pretty

Mark Roxey : 1:43:19

Right? I know. Well, listen man, I Joey I it has been a distinct pleasure man to have you on the program. You're amazing. You're a renaissance guy. And I don't know the last time I had this much fun one of these podcasts just really talking to a guy that has so much depth and so much background in so many things, man, it's a pleasure. And I want to thank you so much for being on the program, bro. Yeah, it was great being on I again, I same thing I had fun. And that's what it's about. You know what I mean? You know, the memories you can have of having fun at whatever you're doing. Like they say if you haven't fun what you're doing. Even if it's a job you never work. That's right. We're heading right there. That's it. Yeah. And on that note, my friends, I'd like to thank you for listening in to another episode of the boxing breakdown. And I want to wish you peace and love. And I'll see you guys on the other side boxing breakdown is out.

Walter Waite : 1:44:24

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Mark Roxey : 0:52

This is your host, Mark Roxy and I'd like to thank you for listening in again to the boxing breakdown. Hope you guys are having a good week. And I'm excited for today's show. I've got tons of great news. And I've got absolutely intriguing guests today. So I just wanted to start out by telling you that if you liked the boxing breakdown, please consider liking us on Facebook, following us on Instagram and Twitter, and LinkedIn as well. And you can also subscribe to our YouTube channel. And I've got some news. first bit of news is I'm super excited that we're going to start doing live broadcasting of the boxing breakdown. So you're going to get to see the guests in in full living color. And we're going to be basically streaming that on YouTube and Facebook as well as LinkedIn. So you guys in the future episodes, keep an eye out for that. I'll be posting that I'll be sharing news on how we plan on proceeding on our Facebook page. And you can always check us out at the boxing breakdown. And so some of the news that has been really coming over the wire and things that I've been really paying attention to include Adrian Bronner, right, like I don't know if you've been following what's going on with Adrian Bruner. But he made some public statements. He was interviewed recently, and then it was all over social media. That interview and part of what he said was, I mean, the long interview but but the basic Crux Crux to the interview was that he's looking for fights at 140. He's looking for a certain amount of money. He's looking for like $10 million for a pay date. really doesn't, I don't think he really is not opposed to fighting without an audience, but he knows he's not going to get the money that he really, truly does deserve. He's super entertaining. And so he's probably not going to be fighting unless he can get that. It might be sitting on a shelf a little unless you can get that 10 mil for the fight. So I thought that was really interesting. But here's, here's the piece of that. That, to me is intriguing. He also commented on the fact that he might be able to make 135. And see the reason I think that's so powerful in such an important statement, right is because from 2008 to 2013, Adrian browner fought in that weight class and he was able to capture a world title. But but he was also undefeated in that weight class. So that was a great, great weight for him. He was able to dominate back in those years. The question I have is, you know if you know anything about that weight class, I've been reporting a lot on that weight class. You've got, you know, Wassily Lohmann. chinko you've got Oh gosh, there's so many guys Devin Haney that are in that weight class. You got teofimo Lopez, Campbell. I mean, that is a Ryan Garcia. It's a stack division. And it's probably one of the most exciting divisions in boxing right now. Well for me as as a purist boxing fan and someone who really is a scientist of the game, that way classes super intriguing to me and I love Adrian Bronner. I would love to see you go back to that. Wait. I know you can make it. I definitely think that you would be a player in that division. I honestly haven't seen you at that class for a long time. But I would love to see you preparing for that class and see what you could do there. Because and I know the guys that are in that division might might want to see that as well. So fans definitely would love to see you in action. We love you, Adrian Bronner, and I hope that you know, we get to chat soon enough, right. So there's some some other news that I'll tell you about briefly. Some of it is Arielle Spence is set finally to fight Danny Garcia is that for November 21. So that is a fact it's going down. And I love that fight. And I love Danny Garcia. I'm not that I'm not a fan of Errol Spence. He's He's super, super quality fighter, but I really would love to see what Danny can make out of that. He's going into the fight. Obviously, I've been talking to a lot of people in the boxing world as somewhat of an underdog, but I think they don't sleep on Danny Garcia. Shout out to Danny Garcia and his team, right. I think that could be a really great fight. So I'm definitely going to tune into that fight. And you all should tune into it too. If you if you know who you got, you know, hit me up on Facebook, you know, send me a message or at the boxing breakdown. Just let me know what you think, man, I'd love to I'd love to chat with you and love to hear what your opinion is about that. Also, what do you think? I mean, what do you think? Do you think that Errol Spence really needs to beat Crawford in order for him? to to be able to say he's the best. Do you think that Errol Spence really needs to beat Crawford in order to do that. Let me know what you think. I don't know. I mean, I know Crawford is you know, he's at the top of the weight class. He's at the top of the division and and certainly, you got to get past him right to prove that but you know, I guess first first dibs is Danny Garcia and we'll see how he does if he does great there. I assume that Terence Crawford fights going to go down. Then. Furthermore, in the news, we've got a some some news coming across the wire that teofimo Lopez is is not happy with the deal for facility lomachenko. That's hearsay. I don't know if it's true. Hopefully that fight comes off. As you know, I've been super excited about that fight and I would hate to see that fight or that deal fall apart. It's not a good idea. The fans need to see that fight. That is the fight of the year. So hopefully you guys can figure it out. Low peasant and lomachenko y'all, y'all your you know, your staff can figure out what needs to happen to make that fight because the fans need to see that. That's all I gotta say about that. And then furthermore in the news, we got Leo Santa Cruz, and he says that not only is he going to come out with the victory, but he really plans to destroy tank Davis. A statements coming out of Santa Cruz's camp. Another great fight can't wait to see that. Yeah. I mean, that's, oh, what do you think? Let me know. Finally, there's two more little bits of news. You got condello Canal Alvarez he really kind of on the shelf a little bit here because he missed that September 12 date that I think Roy Jones and my Tyson got which by the way that fight is on fire and now like I predicted everybody wants to see that fight even if it's an exhibition you're hearing news coming out that everybody's up on it they all want to see it fire. I called it don't forget Mark Roxy boxing breakdown. I call that several episodes ago. And then Anyway, back to the canal. Oh, he's he's looking at trying to figure out if he wants to fight Callum Smith or Denise Demetrius and drama. I don't know. I don't know which one of the guys he's going to fight but I just hoping to see canillo in the ring. You know, pretty soon he's he's a fantastic fighter and the fans really need some vanilla. So hopefully they can work that out. And if you are a manager, trainer, or advisor or even just a fighter and you guys want to get on the program, you want to come Enjoy me and break down some boxing and talk about your careers to talk about what you're up to listen, hit me up at Facebook, send me a message, a private message. And, you know, we'll take a look. And we'll review your request. And and if we think it's gonna match up with an episode, we'll get you on. All right. If you like the boxing breakdown, and you'd like to contribute to it, you can make a donation@www.patreon.com slash the boxing breakdown. So, with that being said, some of the upcoming episodes that I'm hoping to have, I'm hoping to have Adrian browner. I'm also looking forward to having the one and only Britton Hart right. And I've been shouting out mike tyson trying to get him on the program too. So, you know, the Senate people. We got a couple of good episodes in the queue. Ready? To go off, so can't wait. Looking forward to it. And now I want to get on to the show and tell you a little bit about my special guest. So my special guest this week on the boxing breakdown is Joey I let me tell you a little bit about Joey. So Joey is the is a former amateur and pro boxer. He's also a pro, former pro wrestler, and the National arm wrestling champion. You do not want to wrestle with Joey I was the national arm wrestling champion. Joey's been in boxing for 41 years. He's the former owner of several boxing gyms most of which have been in Philadelphia. He's a trainer, a manager and a promoter. In addition to those skill sets, he Also is an active Pro, professional cut man. I works for boxing and he works for MMA, and he's done that for over 25 years. He's the 15th time Pennsylvania cut Man of the Year. So let you know he's got some skills in the cut man business. If you're looking to hire a cut, man, you better check out Joey i right. So he's been inducted into three Hall of Fame's the Atlantic City Hall of Fame in 2012. The Pennsylvania Hall of Fame in 2015 and the New Jersey Hall of Fame in 2017. He's also enshrined in the fielack, Italy Italian immigrant Museum in Philadelphia. And he's been in over 100 films including Get this people get this in the first rocky film, Rocky to in 1979 he sat on sly Stallone's shoulder at age nine years old. That alone would be an accomplishment that is amazing. You gotta love Rocky, right? So along with rocky five, he was in Rocky five. He was in Rocky Balboa and two of my favorite. He was in creed. And he was in creed two. He's been a technical adviser. And he played himself in that in that movie. He's worked as a cup in and a hand wrapper for many, many great fighters all over the world. He's practically worked within the entire Witherspoon families works with Tim Witherspoon. He's worked with Tim Witherspoon Jr. Chazz Witherspoon, etc. Right? He's worked with Ivan Robinson Bruce Sheldon. Jackie Frazier, Sergei Cova lev Chad Dawson, Tony Ferrante Antony Caputo, Chuck moose sashiko and Christian carto Sunny konto Thomas lamonta and a whole host of other fighters he's worked with my fighters as well. Sky has a resume like you wouldn't believe and it is my distinct pleasure and honor to just hang out with you. What's up What's up? What's up come on in Joey I

Unknown Speaker : 14:41

go Mark Li

Mark Roxey : 14:43

what's up Joey? What's going on? There's ruff.

Unknown Speaker : 15:01

If you want to grab some need to be outside, you know, that kind of stuff, eat or drink, you know, you got to keep your distance and it's street fair, you know, not as bad as they were a few months ago. You know, every time you think things are going to change, and they come up with something else and they pull the puck it's frustrating, you gotta stay safe. Yeah, it is very frustrating. It's really tough. Especially for a lot of people out of work. And, you know, you really get to know with this, you really get to get to really know your family. Your kids are the wife. Yeah.

Mark Roxey : 15:41

Well, not only you get to know your family, but you get to know people, like people, people that you thought were like riding with you, you know, oh, yeah, they don't call you. And you really it's been an interesting ride. You know, the last really, since March, you know things really like it's amazing. What, you know what we've all experienced. And I know like in the boxing world, you know, we're all kind of like just hanging hanging tough. Yeah. For for the sport to really return to some, you know,

Joey Eye : 16:18

especially the smaller normalcy. Yeah, and I feel so bad when I'm watching these ones that were on ESPN and now last night, you know, they got him on that with Showtime now. And there's literally no one there. I haven't been a former fighter I can't imagine because I thrived off the crowd. I can't imagine being in a room and there's nobody there you guys. It's worse than there's more people in a gym when you're sparring than what they got. I mean, if the crowd The fans are what what would get you going would get gets makes it a real fight. And it's, I don't know, I don't even think I'd be enthused to be there working

Unknown Speaker : 16:57

with nobody.

Mark Roxey : 16:59

Imagine flying out to Las Vegas to do a show, right having a quarantine. Right when you get back. I mean, it's just a big

Unknown Speaker : 17:08

no I, I got offered to go to Florida for a fight. And I was like, wait a minute, I was like, the middle of August. I said, Do you realize that's the worst place in the whole country? I said, I'm gonna have to go out a week be ahead of time. And then when I come home, I got a quarantine for two weeks. I said, you need to pay me for like a month worth of ice. I can't shut my business down. And like that. I said, I can't do it. And I said, then I'd have to stay away from my family. I'd have to probably live in my basement. And you know, it's nice. It's nice. It's not worth it for one fight to go f5 so nice. I can't do it. I just I mean, yeah, it's crazy.

Mark Roxey : 17:45

It's not workable. It doesn't work.

Unknown Speaker : 17:48

And just just the whole the whole thing about it like, you know, like I have a I have a local one that do a cage fight. They're doing two days in a row right? To close plates until you know nobody there type thing and because we're only allowed to have six fights at a time, so instead of doing it, which I thought, well, if you've got 12 fights, just get them out of the way in one night. No, they're going to do two nights in a row. But I just just eat the aura and the ambiance of it, there's nothing you're going to be in a big empty room and just, you know, your feet moving around and slaps it just yeah, you know, it reminds me of on like, the big big cards that I've worked when, like, you know, like a big pay per view or something, say with an AC or New York or somewhere like that, or Vegas, and they got like 12 fights on the card. Well, most of the fights on the undercard, you know, they're just obligations that the promoter has to keep their guys fighting and you're there and there's literally in a giant arena and there's nobody there. It looks and feel like the guys go into the electric chair like they're just walking out and and you just hear nothing and there's nobody in the in the room and You know, you might, you know, you can't be yelling too much to your fighter because the other side can hear you just as

Unknown Speaker : 19:05

well. Yeah, it's so

Unknown Speaker : 19:08

bizarre. I feel bad for the fighters because it's so like, like they say if a tree fell in the forest, you know, that make a sound. You know, I always say, if I leave Frasier, if nobody was down, would that have been the fight of the century? And I'd have to say, no, no. It's It's tough. It really is. I would hope that we could get to some kind of normalcy, but I don't know. And it's gonna be a long time because even when they say, yeah, everything's okay. There's people going to be scared to death to go anywhere. Yeah. Any kind of crowds.

Mark Roxey : 19:41

Yeah, no, and people are getting wild. Out of control, man. I mean, people are like, you know, you don't you put like, I went into the grocery store the other day, and it was raining. So I jumped out of my car and I started running into the grocery store. And I got into the grocery store. Like halfway in and luckily it was like Sunday night like, right, you know, like, eight o'clock at night. And as I run the store, I went halfway in deep into the store. And I didn't have my mascot yet but you realize, oh my god and then I pulled out my shirt and I ran out of the out of the grocery store and grabbed the mass threw it on went back in and I was like,

Unknown Speaker : 20:18

No, no, there's no middle ground with that. It's easy. People don't care, or they want to kill you.

Mark Roxey : 20:24

Yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah. What we do know we don't know enough. But what we have to do, it takes nothing guys to put your mask on. It takes nothing. Yeah, even if the mask doesn't help. Right, right. And we got to do what we got to do, right to just try

Unknown Speaker : 20:38

at least some kind of some kind of order.

Mark Roxey : 20:42

Yeah, or just just maybe it does. I don't know. I mean, I don't even know what's going on really, to be quite

Unknown Speaker : 20:47

honest. No, I don't I know, you know, you don't know who to believe you don't know what's true, what's not what I mean? You know, I mean, part of the honest part to it is and and I feel right away it happens to me because hadn't been a fighter I do have I been tested I do have brain damage you know, I guess I could relax, breathe, you know, but But no, but um if I were to mess for you know cuz matter respirator it's a mask. So you're breathing out your carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide and you breathe in it right back in. So that that causes brain damage. You know, it makes you lightheaded. It's killing your brain cells. Well, it had me within 10 minutes and I gotta I got a headache after I leave, you know, but, but if we if we keep this up for you know, another year or two doing this all the time you get a bunch of people walking around not knowing how to tie your shoes.

Mark Roxey : 21:42

No, no, and you can see

Unknown Speaker : 21:44

my car. It's, you know, it's bad. But I mean, the things that the masks that would really, really help and save you. Nobody can afford you to wear a respirator like a guy who paints cars. You know? Yeah, but it's it's tough. It's a bad situation all the way around. I got I I'm surprised that it's been this long. You know, a few months ago, I would have said, Yeah, two months we'll put up with it. Now. I mean, you know, it's, and there's no end in sight to things, you know, I mean, you know, what's causing what who's doing what, you know?

Mark Roxey : 22:18

Yeah. It's not political.

Unknown Speaker : 22:21

You know, I keep hearing a lot of people go, you know, and Coca Cola going November 4, after the elections and I'm like, Oh, god, I'm like, I don't know.

Unknown Speaker : 22:32

What we should be looking, Joe. I mean,

Mark Roxey : 22:36

that that's what's up. Hey, I'll take it. I just

Unknown Speaker : 22:40

don't think it is. Right. Yeah. Cuz, look, we've we've lived through many conspiracies. Yeah. You know, I'm 51 years old. And there's been many of those things that you know, you're like, they come out later. You're watching some TV show. And you go, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The government did dad is like,

Unknown Speaker : 22:56

Oh, really?

Unknown Speaker : 22:58

Yeah. Thanks, you

Unknown Speaker : 23:01

Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. Big this whole population that venereal disease just just cause Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 23:10

Yeah. You don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough.

Mark Roxey : 23:12

I know. It really is. So listen, I want to I want to I got a bunch of things I want to talk to you about, man. I, I am I did your intro and the intro is, you know, it's on blast, man you like, I just like, there's so much to talk to you about First of all, how did you get into boxing? How did that happen?

Unknown Speaker : 23:36

Well, this is an old story. I think I've told this one a million times, but is Yeah, wherever is obviously you know, I'm five foot two live and grown since I was probably nine. So when I was little, I grew up in a really tough part of the city. I mean, like anybody did was fine. You belong with gang to them, you know, so you didn't get killed, you know? 10 years old. It was like in a gang, but I used to get my ass kicked all the time. I was a little guy smiling with everybody. And you know, they wanted to kick my teeth down my throat. And the funny thing is the neighborhood I lived in was predominantly Irish in Germany, right? so little time, give them neighbor a day didn't even know what I was, you know, you know, so yeah, I was, you know, I was bullied a lot. And I had a friend who was smaller than me, because he was about a year younger than real skinny, real kid. And his name was Frankie, and the big kids knew he went to the gym, and he was real decent little boxer, right? He could really, you know, he had good moves only at 910 years old. So he was about eight or nine and I was I was about nine or 10. And so every day after school, the big kids and make them practices boxing on me. You know, as we were walking home, we were friends, you know, and he kept bugging me on the way home I'd be like, wiping the blood off my nose. And he goes, why don't you come to the gym with me and I'm going why so I didn't get beat up there. But like as long as I just wanted I know I could take a bunch and you know if I get to a one I you know, but you know, so what happened is I mean he was always bugging me and I was considering it but I don't know. And I got the opportunity to be in Rocky two in 1979 the movie came out in 78 so it's probably like a lion or maybe november of 78 something like Yeah, I got the opportunity came to my school and they picked the athletes in the school and I ran track so they were like, Oh yeah, you're on track Are you would you like to be in I don't like being rocky mum dad wouldn't be rocky you know. And so you know, an aunt or somebody loaded a bunch of us up into a station wagon took us down down and all day long we we ran with him and ran down the parkway around ran, you know up the art museum steps up and down and I'll forget all damn day all down in 72 steps up and down. Right They kept all these different tastes, but everybody wanted to get their first baby and so little, I would kind of fast and no special like nothing to me because, you know, you really got to jump through a normal person who's got to like run three or four of them at a time, right? And it didn't bother me. I just ran right up. I kept getting there first. And at one point, you reach down, pick me up, put me on his shoulders. And he was

Unknown Speaker : 26:24

like, Oh my god, I know Mike and I picked he put me down to the pistol all over him.

Unknown Speaker : 26:30

But it pulled me down. And I was like home and even though we ran from early morning to late got dark, and I was like dead tired. I still I went home and told my dad, I was like, I want to be just like rock. Italian, I'm little I'm left handed. I want to be just like it you know him and I made my father The next day, take you to the gym. That would give me Kensington and and I wound up and never left. You know, I never looked The and, and the funny part was I also add years into it. That was like the first movie I was in but I always kept saying, I would like to do movies too. And then like another time I got to be a rocky five.

Unknown Speaker : 27:15

He Yeah, he was he came in the owner of the gym actually

Unknown Speaker : 27:22

sold the boxing club and Patrick has he he and I were still like an amateur at the time. And when they were doing rocky five and he was coming in for sparring partners, and guys maybe to be in scenes with Tommy Gunn. Right. You know, Tommy Marcy. And so, but I just walked into work. And I for years I did submit work as a subcontractor. So I came in with like a calf cat bone and a Carhartt work jacket or something, you know, I was coming from work, like whatever time I walk in, and say hello there and I said, I'm the guy gaboon mochila aka Bosco. Just looking for guys for it might even use the kin for something I said okay whatever they're also and he's picking up the stones literally taking guys yeah get that guy over there get that guy and I'm like and I was like you look at the heavyweight and barely lightweight yes and they go no no just the way he is he's perfect the corner man and he picked me to be a corner man at the blue arrives and where am I like my Jeff cap on and everything you know and a cute kitten my mouth or whatever and I tell him I saw it but now I can like I can I really got to slow it down to find myself in a mean way one of those things but but yes, I've been in about for the board a rocky movie so far. And I'm here in Crete I played myself and I was the technical advisor and I inject all the fighters etc. And it's the trainer's the referees, right? You know? And yeah, and it was it was an honor to play myself and all that the lines that you see that I said this. There were no I had to make them up. Said I made up oh well yeah but that's how I got into boxing you know and I feel like I said I had like a love for it and I you know, amateur fighter and did halfway decent and I turned pro and moving along and then I had a knee injury pretty bad I blew out my left knee in a fight and you know, had to make a decision do I wear a knee brace and like really bumpy guys or do I just say you know, move on to something else and I moved on to originally being a cut band because um, I you know, I really really loved that part of the game, you know, of why, like, I just go to fight that that like, there was a place called the Reno in 4646 market, right. And then there was also like the blue horizon obviously, and places like that and we were going to golden eagle and all these I'd be looking at watching the guys in the quarter when I'd be watching the fight. And when I was In amateur fighter I had a friend who was a pro but he was like kind of a Down and Out dog shouldn't have been like the guy he asked me to work his corner at the flight you know it was it was it was in the gym that Front Street gym that approach to the Front Street gym and it's silly and the same

Mark Roxey : 30:19

upstairs the one yeah

Unknown Speaker : 30:20

yeah yep and I said I was like yeah yeah no problem you know so I was like you know I've been watching these guys and I knew a couple three different cut men that have been had been kind of paying attention to what they've been telling me and watching them and you know one of them was was Eddie Eliana know everybody Yeah, and then another guy the old old timer who had Joey Geobella and guys like I was eight offer taeko and lo ad and then there was another guy named Stan the cup man from from from Soweto, and he'd worked with a Latin ex knows let's listen and learn from him. So he asked me to work his corner. I literally work this corner I was about 20 years old. I work this corner by myself. He got caught. I stopped it. And I said, You know what, after I'm done fighting, I think I'd like to do this. And so when I couldn't fight anymore, it was like a big, you know, you lose a big part of my life that was, you know, and I kept saying, I don't want to hang on to him all the time, because I know, I'll just get talked into fight again. You know, and it was like, you know, what do I do you know, and then my wife and I got married. I was like, the only thing about being a cop, man, you're talking about Edie, you made me you know, I was the one cut man aid off, even out of it for a long time. And he he I used to face the lesson learned stuff from him sitting next to him on a barstool in a bar in South Philly.

Mark Roxey : 31:41

And he

Unknown Speaker : 31:42

told me, thanks, you know, yeah, I heard different things from these three different guys, you know, and it was really, you know, it was, it was great, because, I mean, you know, they passed on to me, you know, cuz they were on the way out, you know, and, yeah, it was it was it was it was good. Cuz it gave me something to you know, because I, I said to myself I'm like, Yeah, I think I'd rather be a covenant I said, I don't I don't want to be a gym owner. gyms never make any money I don't want to be a promoter all they do is lose money. I say no, I don't your manager, they get guys if they put all his money in and bring them up and if somebody steals them, there will be a trainer because they're not horses. These guys will listen for nothing. And I mean, and guess what, you know, I never listened to myself. seven different gyms I've been a pro I was a promoter for almost 20 years friggin a manage a bunch of guys training guys. Every stick I even put rings on every freaking thing you can think of. I even used to referee tough man fights. Again, you name it. friggin I've done it in this friggin and I never listen to myself. Again, but my main love was was being a cup, man. So, you know.

Mark Roxey : 32:55

So you actually said like, Hey, I'm not gonna be a manager. I'm not gonna be a promoter. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker : 33:00

this I thought this whole thing out. Like there was a there was about a six month period of when I just stopped fighting, and I'm going like and like I go by the gym and I would be like, I'm not gonna go in, like, don't go in there I eat, you know, somebody will poke me in the flight and you know, and, or something I shouldn't be doing you know. And then I was like running around through my head and I'm like, because I always tell guys the same thing. You know, too many guys don't know when to quit, you know, fighting and you want to be able to find your car, you know, not, you know, walk out and go look like, you know, being a winner got nothing to do with your record. It's no one to get the hell out. And, you know, so I always tell guys, you know, you know, a guy not long ago, you know, he was very upset after you like maybe your announcement that it wasn't a fight anymore at the fight. And I was like, come here and I'm like, Look, this ain't the end. You got all this knowledge you've been writing for 20 years. Give it the kids give it to some pros at yours. Data you think could be a pro. So, not the end VCs could manage guys, you can help co promote with somebody and eventually be a pro you can do so many different things how you could become a boxing writer, you could do you want to say you don't have to stay in it in the ring, you know, and yeah, definitely. And that's the way I looked at it. That was like, you know, you know, I hope that I could call myself a winner, you know, I mean, by doing the right thing, and we'll keep moving on. And, like, I got a lot of respect for guys that do what I couldn't do, which is when you're done, they just walked away, right? You don't even see some guy that fight. You're doing the show to a local show. Yeah. And I know a few guys like, you know, like, and it's like, wow, I really got respect for them. Because the rest of us were like gym rats. Like we cannot it's because boxes in addition to me, it's like drunks Friday or Saturday night when you have enough for this Monday. You're planning the next thing you like or you're right back to where you get it. Okay, yeah, I'll be there. know, it is it's like such an addiction. Sure.

Mark Roxey : 35:07

Yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 35:08

yeah. But at least you know, it's not one that's really going to kill you. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 35:13

You know, but um, but it can bankrupt You know,

Unknown Speaker : 35:17

a lot of money you know, but um,

Unknown Speaker : 35:19

so yeah, exactly like you know, like, like, like I always say, you know, like, like, if they weren't crazy they wouldn't be fighting yeah if anybody you know you got a lot of guys who say you know yeah I'm a real smart visit I get guys call me all the time around you and I've been in business for all these years with this. I want to get into managing or promoting fighters and unlike and they're gonna smell that frickin nice suit all that money years and rape. Yes. And you only got to make boxing worse. Why is that? Well, because in a couple years when you go, Oh, my God, my asshole horse, you're mad about and saying how bad boxing is you're just going to be downing it more. So nobody needs that. Right You know, and it's the truth I told a guy one time and it's a shame because it because it did happen and I won't say any names or anything the guy called me Never had been to a fight never not been one of the manager fighter so I know who you are through through a certain business yet but I said why? Oh, I like this guy I love them and then I'm like this guy not that don't love you either gotta be born into this will be a straight gangster. And even those guys get screwed over and I said, Listen to what I'm going to tell you and take my advice because if you don't, the sound is going to be echoing in your ears in a couple years at least like what I said run through the freakin hills. Don't freakin take one more even thought of this

Mark Roxey : 36:46

and you know he didn't just like you didn't do so.

Unknown Speaker : 36:51

For me and

Unknown Speaker : 36:52

Oh man.

Unknown Speaker : 36:54

To be the world champion though. Not on his watch right on your dime. Yeah, yeah, yep. You know and it's it's, it's it is tough it's it's it's just a feeling I love it but it's a shitty business at the same time so it's like a love hate relationship you know it's um you know it's a poor man's game and it's a it's also a tough landscape you know it's not for the faint of heart in any part of this you know, like they always say that the hardest real fight goes on with the guys in the suits in the back. That's right.

Mark Roxey : 37:28

That's right. Yeah, and you better know what you're doing because if you don't know what Yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 37:31

exactly, yeah, yeah, they always say watch the guy who's patting you on the back he's looking for a soft spot to stick to

Unknown Speaker : 37:39

but I saw many people say to me Oh, I'm in the insurance business there's nothing shady here oh my

Unknown Speaker : 37:45

god don't care if you're president of Citicorp bank, you're gonna lose your shirt. We're not another business like the only other business like the movie business right?

Mark Roxey : 37:53

Well, no, you You nailed it and and something that most of the boxing breakdown people Do not know as they're listening to this is that you've been in like, tons of movies like you. You have a significant background in movies. And yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 38:14

I mean, I guess I even have a small production company that I'm part of I have, you know, I've been on all again, all the ends of it, you know, I'm not, you know, I've been like, I do a lot of the continuity stuff on so we do a lot of small films. There'll be like, Yo, this look right. You know, generally, we don't want to hear you going not, you know, because I can pick the I can pick the crap out of friggin even like the Godfather, right? I mean, I'm going that's wrong. It's not right. You know, it's supposed to be the wiser cinderblock wall back there. But they're the things you got to do to get it right to sell a movie to get people to believe that what they're watching is real. Yeah, but I've been in touch I'm doing well. One thing I'm doing right now there's a on Amazon front two things on Amazon Prime actually um one called marketplace that a mob guy goes into like witness protection right I'm the narrator Oh, I just the way I'm talking to you now that's the way I got to talk Yeah, he just the way I talk is and all I have to do every once in a while someone shows up in my house go in my basement. I say the lines I'm supposed to say they record it and boom that's it. Ah, I just was in another one that outright now called chase Street. It's about cans and it's kind of like kind of like a tick the same tape as the show the wire Yeah, that was on HBO. It's like that like politics and drugs and everything in the in the ghetto type situation. And I play I play it back guy you know, I get it, you know, wow. guy in the you know, in the ground. But you know, but I got I got some real good real good lines with it and stuff. David had me personally rocky a little bit in it. But that's on Amazon. Prime right now. But yeah, I mean, you got so many things over the years. It's it's, you know,

Mark Roxey : 40:06

you've done like dance you've done you got two producer credits, two producer credits. Is that right? Yes. Yeah, that's awesome.

Unknown Speaker : 40:15

Yeah, yeah, I've done I've done a lot of my own stunts and things like that. I mean, yeah, I would do it one more time when I guess because at that time, I was a pro wrestler. Right, which is ironic right now.

Mark Roxey : 40:30

I could see

Unknown Speaker : 40:31

I was dressed up like rocky you know with a fedora and Nicholas blue and no fingers and leather jacket in the gray sweater. And instead of the Italian Stallion, I was the Palermo pony. I'm the only wrestler ever to retire undefeated because you know rocky has to win and yet you know for two years straight I was a battle royal champ 30 guys and I'm just throwing them all over. Yeah, crazy. But you get really hurt. I used to get hurt all the time. So Bay with that stuff. Yeah, I mean, a lot of it's fake but but a lot of it is rails. I mean, the outcome is set up, but Jesus Christ, I somebody guys lose their minds here that they're crazy, you know, but while we were doing that they hired a bunch of wrestlers for a bunch of us to make a movie, right? It was called the Black ninja. And it was kinda like, by by day, the guy is a Johnnie Cochran lawyer who gets all these scumbag, you know, killers and drug dealers off. But at night he'll go Eddie dresses like a ninja and he kills them. You know, so he gets them off and gets their money and then he goes and kills but of course, they were all guys who wound up killing his family or some shadow, right? But we had to do all our own stunts. And they figured since we were wrestlers, no prob, they literally had me jumping out a window, two story window. As the guy was throwing me out the window, right, jump out the window, the middle of the night, right and they had a pad, a big pad down on the ground and it's snowy. Like yo is this wherever you want. I'm going to swear what it's like okay, actually I jump out the freakin wind the floor all the way down. You know it gets a guy you got to scream and I'm like I get all the way to the box. I hit I lazy, but only from my belly up my legs hit the damn ground, like Jesus Christ and like Oh, right. Well, we got to do that over why don't we have to do it over? You can't we don't want to say football though. That's what I'll be saying. somebody threw me out of school story window. Hello. They were like look, you know. Oh, yeah. So so we kept taking the tape. I'm filling out a goddamn I was like, I don't believe that. It was like it was like okay, you know, but yeah, you know, but um, yeah, I've done a lot of them like car chase type stones where I'm the drive, you know, driving and you know, I love all that kind of stuff. Because I you know, cuz I used to do I used to do at one point. This this is something you would love to admit, I guess. I mean that a fight is do some fight. Down at the lagoon and I used to jump over after fights go out in the parking lot. Jump over five cars through a ring of fire on an old an old enduro motorcycle big heavy old motor, like old 70s dirt bike which there were don't get sick, they weren't a third like they had knobby tires. Right? You know, but it was a big and I was I was all dressed in red, white and blue. And it was a tribute to evil Knievel and I call myself evil I I would jump over and I had it set up and it's set up to jump the ring at the blue horizon. I was going to use a smaller bike, I had it all worked out, go over again. I only had about eight feet between the lights in the end the top of the ropes of the ring and the jump over both go down and upper ramp and up to the to the duty call on the stage that was right and had it all worked out and then the police got shut down. But it was it was started to get too easy. And I kept saying to myself like, I am not evil and evil that is one of my heroes, my biggest hero in my life. That guy was but he was just flat out crazy. He just said, I don't know how I'll get there, but I'm going from here to there. And I said, I got to either add more cars, or stop doing it you know? God bless my wife, she I'm thinking, do you realize what I'm doing? Like I'd be loading the bike up at night, you know, to go to a friend his his father had a home like Christmas tree farm right always open land. So we would make ramps or we would you know, he had an old barn I would jump over that, like anything that you practice that Johnson when loaded up my wife go have fun. And my buddy said this, you realize I go Yeah, I loans you don't announce you go What the hell was I supposed to say? And I'm like, I don't know. I said, I don't know. I said, but, you know, at least I'm still here in one piece to tell the story, you know, right. But yeah, you know, stuff like that. I always I'm like, I guess an adrenaline junkie. I don't know. You know, it's

Mark Roxey : 45:05

like a renaissance man you like, you know that I you know, I mean, I I've known you for a while but like, I didn't know you jump through things and motorcycles and you know you like you're into everything well,

Unknown Speaker : 45:21

yeah, you know what it is? I probably might hold back you know, when I never want to have his regrets. You know, I shoulda woulda coulda you know, that I should have done this or could have done that or anybody's can't come to me, you know, as long as it wasn't, you know, robbing a Brinks truck, which, right now, that might not be a bad idea. But I'm saying, you know, it's, um, I probably I don't know that said no to too many things I've been I've been playing stage plays, I've been all kinds of stuff. And I just been like, Sure I'll take a shot. You know, like, I did a comedy routine ways to stand up comedy routine. Last summer at the Atlantic City Boxing Hall of Fame. They had a comedy night, right? And I came out, you know, and I broke them up right right out of the gate. I came out and I said, Alright, let's before we get into the real lesson, get your laugh out now at me. I want you laughing at me all night you laugh with me. And somebody said Why? And I said, I know what you're thinking. How the hell, the game's kind of Apache advocate.

Unknown Speaker : 46:27

While while the whole time right in the front row, Chuck Zito if you know who that

Unknown Speaker : 46:33

is, grinning at me the whole time never eaten, you know, make changes. And I'm gonna How am I supposed to freakin be funny with tuxedos, Chuck say something, you know, while and he's like, I said, he came up to me right after he called me up. He was so funny. you're avoiding me. As a kid. I was prepping audience I swear to God. Like, what are you going to be next? I said Probably working to flight tomorrow night right here. What do you mean? He's like, what are you gonna do a little bit? Go? I'm not a comedian. You know,

Mark Roxey : 47:06

you might listen you might have to just expand your you know, you might have to take your IMDb and start putting some comedy work credits on there.

Unknown Speaker : 47:18

Yeah, I had you know I did for a while because I always tell people you got to do a stand up you gotta you gotta open up for me in the stand. I'm like, I'm not a stand up. Comic comics are generally not funny people in life. They usually that is, you know, and then they write they pay attention everywhere else, and then they make fun of things. I said, but I said, if you want I can emcee. I said that's fine. You're not from now on in the audience off break, but I would go out 30 people's food, you know, messing with them, you know, saying all kinds of you know, make you know, don't tell a few jokes. Make fun of somebody walk in. Okay, here's these other assholes. Come on. Yeah. I did one one night where the comedians were just all really, really Nobody left. I mean, the audience was funny. And they kept yelling at me

Unknown Speaker : 48:08

like I was.

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And they were like,

Unknown Speaker : 48:13

man, like, No, just bear with me. But

Unknown Speaker : 48:17

if you ever saw I have a talk show. So we did the Joey I show it's on YouTube and Facebook and everything. The easiest thing I ever did in my life, shout it out.

Mark Roxey : 48:28

How do we get to that is happening now, right?

Unknown Speaker : 48:32

Yeah, well, I think I've done these over the years. But there's it's just there's the Joey I show and there's also a new Joey I show okay. And um, yeah, I interview people and this and that, but it's kind of like a combination of dice man and and, Martin, right. I mean, like, kind of, you know, I'd be sitting there swinging a bottle of whiskey and bring the next guy out. Make somebody make somebody like a bouncer type guy. Drag somebody in. With a woman prayer, right, I sit around. Yeah. You know, I know. Like, when they open it up the opening scene is, like, my, my, my, uh, my psychic, you know, that would announce that, you know, who is now on loan from from the greater prison, you know, walk me in and I'd be wearing a yellow jumpsuit. I mean an orange jumpsuit, you know, and I'm like, I'm handcuffed and a guy on cuffs me, and I didn't but the jumpsuits all tearaway and I rip it off and you gotta go in and sit down and say, you know, but it's, it's, um, yeah, it's, but they wanted to have a script analyzer that no scripts, no scripts, it's all in the nose, whoever I'm interviewing a couple things about the editor, somebody I know, forget about. I don't even know. And, you know, we just, you know, sit there have conversate we had comedians, we had, you know, singers, a lot of different actors and local people. You know, it's like a local type thing. But um, you know, It was funny. I had dinner one night as a fly to New Zealand for a fight, but I had an eight hour layover in LA. So I call a good friend of mine. Who's you have to know if you're in boxing, you know, one of the greats, booboo Mansi. So I call him up. I say, yo, Ray, I said, I gotta go to New Zealand. Oh, yeah, I forget. He says, I said, but I got an eight hour layover in LA, in no danger. Don't say another word to pick you up. And I said okay, I said, All right. Comes picks me up. Go to his house for a little bit. I thought okay, when he goes, you're ready to go, go go. We're back to the airport. We just got yours. No, I get it all set up. It's one of my favorite restaurants. We were like we were in LA. And it was outside thing. So right he was like a couple people he for you to meet a couple my friends. Right. So right walk up

Unknown Speaker : 50:58

there. Don't kneel you know album.

Unknown Speaker : 51:01

Wow, right? One of those lights Oh,

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yeah 111 of the one of the one of the writers for

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which called Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld. Right. David Mamet, who wrote the untouchables and Glengarry Glen Ross and shorts and what happened though they were his partners in his in braised fools do a lot of like, movie stuff, right? And it would lead every movie movie company distribution company. And I'm like, how and only keep talking to me about was my show. Like, I don't know where your albums from freaking from from. From from married with children. Yeah, you're the freakin Terminator. You you've been one of the two of the best shows ever on TV as any other guy and I said, You wrote all these beautiful plays and friggin movies. And I'm like, all you guys out there. Like We loved it though. Like, I'm like, they're like how much did that cost? And that dude, not much. I was like, it was my gym. It was where we filmed it in it was. We had a really quick I had an audience that got sick. We told people about 75 people showed up and sat in the audience. And they're like, Oh my god, he got an ice and I'm sitting there going, I can't believe I'm sitting here with brick

Unknown Speaker : 52:22

and stone half the time No, yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 52:26

Yeah, that's a great story. I almost didn't make it to the airport. Yeah, one guy goes Wait a minute. Wait, did you have to Peter ago, I got to be there like eight o'clock or I'm there like three seven now. It's an international flight you got like to raise like, get you there right now. He's gracefully there. And he goes if you don't get in, you'll get called me. I'll come back and stay at my house all week. I'm like untie he friggin I ran through like crazy. And it was just about to close the door like yeah, you were the last one. We were waiting for you and I'm like, sorry that jumped on and you know, 22 hour flight New Zealand. But yeah, crazy. Yeah, you never know you're gonna you're gonna be me for being a movie with, like, you know, I got friends that do that all the time that are like fight back and some people in the fight game, but there'll be like they'll do they like to do that, um, you know six degrees of separation. I think that the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon always figured out how hard is it to get from me to Kevin Bacon and like it's not hard.

Mark Roxey : 53:27

It's not hard at all. It's three degrees. Yes, yes. three degrees, man. It's amazing. Yeah, that's a great that's so inspiring man that you? You know, I mean, it just shows your favorite site movie. What's your favorite movie ever called fat? Fat city?

Unknown Speaker : 53:47

1972 fat city. Yeah, a lot of people don't know that movie. It's about the local club scene pro boxing in Northern California where most people were like Apple pictures and stuff like that, you know and Stacy Keach and Jeff Bridges. Wow. Yeah, it has Yeah. And Curtis Koch's, who was like welterweight fighter way back in the day in the 60s. He did it. Anybody who play a fighter, he recently passed away, um, the guy who was coach in tears. He also was like, Tommy and then Rachel. He was in it and it's just so like real added so much realism to the only thing that is different like for us to that was we're or we cover we're not Apple pickers or, you know, construction workers. Like, you know, they were up there in the hills and they weren't but yeah, and it was one guy was one of the start coming up, and the other guy wanted to get his shit back together who had been a fighter and he was like a down and out bum. And he wants to know, he wants to get back into it, but you know, his girlfriend's real, knowing drunk. pain in the ass and it but it's just so real. And even just certain things that they say and it you know you're like, like there's a scene where they're about to go out of town with three fighters, the trainer and a manager in the front seat. Three fighters in the back. They're all singing having a good time to drive away. You don't see the fights, you just see them pulling back up, right? All three guys are beat up. And the two guys in the front are like, you know, I mean like they're sitting there like shit, you me times I've been down that road. It's like, you know, the worst is when you get to fly with somebody from a long way you go out and they're talking a big game and then and then the right home they're like, what the hell you know? It's like there's all you know, it's like oh my god, you know, it's I got j believe I got three around another it's like, get again, you gotta try to keep them from jumping. You know, open up the plane door don't know, you know that the highs and the lows of boxing and in that movie, it was like it says there's nothing Special to it. You have to have an interest in it. It's not an exciting movie, emotion and real movie because like when we were doing creed, I told Stallone, I said, Look, you guys get pretty close. give you that gotten pretty close. But nobody is ever hit it on the head. Good. You can't make up the stuff. No,

Unknown Speaker : 56:22

no,

Unknown Speaker : 56:23

no, you can't. You just I mean, I, you know, you go on and on for days. I mean, I had a guy. I told a guy who was a unplayed director that are from friends when he came over my house one day or at Christmas time like 20 years ago with a bottle of homemade wine and sat down he goes, I just and he said he just came over just to bullshit, right? So whatever, nobody around me and him were just sitting there drinking some wine. And he was like, asking me to tell him boxing stories. And I'm telling them this, this guy went right home, he wrote a whole script that I wound up being the Korean Refer and play two different parts in the play. Yeah, you got

Unknown Speaker : 57:03

a choreographer play.

Unknown Speaker : 57:05

Yeah. Cause a knockout. And like, and, and everything was so the stories Yeah, that I told him.

Mark Roxey : 57:14

Yeah, that's incredible. And and I mean, just just those creed movies man they came so close to really. I mean especially the first one was just so groundbreaking

Unknown Speaker : 57:29

just yeah, person was like a lot better

Mark Roxey : 57:32

yeah i want to i Grom and

Unknown Speaker : 57:35

because I gotta be honest because I really think Kugler I mean I dealt with him the whole movie and we were like, I mean, he would just call me on the phone and be like, yo, yo, yo, what do you think about this? Right? How about that? I want to make sure. Yeah, and he was like, like in that scene where Gabe Rosato fights creed. Yes, right and supposedly the blue horizon but it's not. And it was actually temples, the original temple school and Were in there. And while I was now from start to finish, it's one cut. that's never been done. If I can, there is not so we did a whole scene from start to finish the way you saw it from them start before we ever before the fight starts to the end of it. That's one they only did it in one take each shot. No, we did it several times, but he would not be there. The under the ring watching it on an iPad on his on his on his for Wow. So he was like he wasn't there. And he wants to witness it the way you would see it in the movies. Right? Which I thought took a lot of, you know, thought a lot of insight to be you had to like take yourself out of that typical I'm gonna throw it over here. Watch what happens. And yeah, it was it was really cool. It was it was um, and it's funny, like we were doing that movie between the local acting people that were like extras and things like that and in it fighters

Mark Roxey : 59:06

like, yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 59:09

how do you know that people shouldn't anyways? Because I'm also an actor, you know? I always tell people there's only two of us that really cut man professional cut man and actors at the same time. And that's the guy who in Rocky was cutting in Rocky wanted to x even into three owl Savanna. Right you'd been like, man for Jake lamotta rocky Martian all these guys. He parlayed that into while he was a cut real cut man. He was in a bunch of movies. He's like, Cool Hand Luke. I mean, like, you can find them in all kinds of movies even like any which way but loose tobacco fight with Clint Eastwood. He's in like, all kinds, like, he pops up all over the place. And it's like, like, like, you know, he's not just like, really famous guy, but he sure made enough of a name for himself that you know, I could pick out movies all the time. Right?

Mark Roxey : 59:56

Well, that's what you call that is like when you can recognize Someone instantaneously, but you don't know the name. But you know that instantaneously because you seen him in like 25 movies?

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:07

Yeah, yeah, that's like you know who that's like I don't know if you know the name of this guy, but you saw him in everything. William forsyte and I've done I did a movie with him.

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:16

He's a

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billionaire, everything but oh, you ever see the movie god he's not the one that Travolta just made that bad one. The one with Armand de Santi.

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:30

Oh,

Mark Roxey : 1:00:31

I can't remember if I kept

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:34

raising Arizona.

Mark Roxey : 1:00:36

Crazy. I haven't seen that one either.

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:39

Nicolas Cage, okay, well, he was in now.

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:41

Wait a minute, wait a minute. I think

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:43

Nicolas Cage and guys break out of jail and then they and him and his wife they steal a baby because

Mark Roxey : 1:00:49

I've seen that one.

Unknown Speaker : 1:00:52

Is the bike the Warhawk from hell, if there's another story for you. I'll tell you his story about him. But yeah, the guy who broke out of jail with john Candy. Candy john Goodman, john Goodman. That guy that was with him is William Forsythe. That guy's been in everything. Yeah, but I got one for you. How about the Steven Seagal movie out? It was out for justice. Okay, where Steven Scott was he like a Brooklyn cop? Like a Goomba. Yeah. And he's chasing after that Junkie, the big fat guy with the with a mustache the whole time. Right. That's where your foresight okay. Really incredible actor. Yeah. And they made a movie recently another like, Raging Bull movie, like a second to it two years ago went right to DVD or whatever it went to. But he played an older Jake lamotta in that, right.

Mark Roxey : 1:01:43

You know, who else is like that? You know, Joseph to now Theo.

Unknown Speaker : 1:01:48

Joe. Yes, I was just gonna stand up. Wait, yeah. Joke it out for you. Yeah, he was he was we were working together on his on that comedy show and he That's what he's been doing lately. He's been just doing stand up. And he was asking me all the shields, dude, you're funny as hell. I'm not even funny. They're like, don't worry about it. I'm like, you know,

Unknown Speaker : 1:02:08

I went to school with him. joking.

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Like, you know, slick or young Tommy and go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I imitate them all the time. And that's what I'm like. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:02:28

Yeah, don't get pinched by the factory sound like, and he's like, oh my god.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And,

Unknown Speaker : 1:02:40

but, but yeah, Joe, Joe donostia. Yeah, he's, um, he's been in a bunch of things, but it's like, you know, Who's that guy? You know? And then you go, oh, could you say his name and you're like, and you don't people mix them up with his last name is Ignacio a mix them up with Vincent and offeri?

Mark Roxey : 1:02:56

Right, right. Vince is

Unknown Speaker : 1:02:58

a guy that you know yeah. And it's like no no, no.

Unknown Speaker : 1:03:04

No flick from brachfeld. Okay.

Unknown Speaker : 1:03:11

Good guy. Nice kid. So yeah

Mark Roxey : 1:03:15

he's still in the BK, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yes So So let me ask you something about your boxing career right like your boxing you know what you do as a cut man who like if you could think back or even present who was like one of your most memorable fights that you work the corner as a cut man for what was one of the most memorable fights you've ever worked the corner for.

Unknown Speaker : 1:03:44

I can tell you one that I don't even think he got a mark on a maybe maybe a few marks or maybe they get cut. I usually remember all those things but but one of the most memorable fights was when I went out with Ivan Robinson, who I thought the amateurs and he beat Twice. Right, right? Well, I wound up kind of helping out to manage and work is cut man at all. He got an opportunity if this was back in 2005. Like both are like pretty much last fight. Ivan Robinson versus Julio Cesar Chavez. Right. Right. And, yeah, I got them already helped to get them all ready for the fight to use my gym, we work together everything. And he always had a lot of respect for me, you know, we would go back a long, long way young, he wouldn't even spar with me at all. And he still tells people that, um, you know, as good as he was, he claims and even after Chavez like that I hit harder than anybody that he was ever hit by. I'll take that. I'm gonna add a lot of skills, but I could crack All right, good, you know, so but we got them all ready, everything took them out there. And it was it was like right when the Staples Center just opened a brand new place every day. There was 22,000 screaming Mexicans in that place. I swear to God, nobody bought a came out for Chavez like crazy. We're walking out some old lady to a sandwich at us. We were like gotten a ring. I mean, they singing the National Anthem, they're bowing. They're like, Oh my god, oh my god, I'm going and everybody's going, Yeah. Chavez gonna knock him out and like two rounds, four rounds at best, and went out there and they both were good, because they're both pretty much done. But it was made made sort of good flight, you know, to Bangor versus the boxer. And they're going back for you know, for 10 rounds and fourth round Ivan went down right on his back. And everybody's like, Oh, that's it. And I was like, oh, pop right back up. No problem. And, you know, he didn't win the decision, but he there's no way he would have I don't care if he knocked them out. They probably would have no made everybody close your eyes for a minute and you know, and wait Chavez up. But that was one of the most I was like an incredible, incredible fight. And, you know, and I remember Bob Arum walking over to me and one of the matchmakers and walked right over to the Like, who else keep cooking forget us, like the guy with a record. But I go, I thought this is his last fight. They go look around, we're going to take him every town that has Mexicans. They're like, whatever, you know, and I think they tried it one more time. You heard his hand it was over or whatever was that but

Mark Roxey : 1:06:18

was that 112 fight at the time? Chavez probably has like 112 fights he had at that point. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:06:26

It was probably his 111.

Mark Roxey : 1:06:29

He fought them fight with Ivan Rob. Julio Cesar Chavez, for Ivan Robinson. 2005. May 28 2005. Right? Yep.

Unknown Speaker : 1:06:39

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we were out there. That was one I love that. I like you know what's funny, things are memorable, but they're not big. It was it doesn't have to be a big fight. It doesn't have to be somebody would have fallen in our iPhone out. I've got plenty of those stories. But I was one of the first people that will work with comala When he came to this country they get because he he used to be trained by john david jackson. I know john good cuz john used to train and Philly and everything when he was a fighter right? He wasn't from Philly, but john would always be like, we want we need you with us, you know. So you know when he started out on me with main events, and it will be up in Bethlehem but the fight, right,

Unknown Speaker : 1:07:20

yeah. Well, what do you

Unknown Speaker : 1:07:22

do other places like that? Yeah. And they would always get me. And I'm like, Oh my God, this frickin guy is a machine. Yeah, he would come back in the corner. He wouldn't want water. He wouldn't say anything. He was just like, he was like Drago, right? We just get up and go out. I guys, and when I and then it was kinda had to work against them. And every time it worked against them, every guy would come back after the first round and say the same thing. They'd be like, they'd be like, oh my god. So it was rolling in my legs. It was like, Yeah, you got hit me with a jab. It's like his jab was like Earnie Shavers. Right. I feel

Unknown Speaker : 1:07:53

my toes.

Unknown Speaker : 1:07:55

Yeah, I'm telling you. I didn't they would last like two rounds and you'd be like holy smokes. But working with their hands, I mean, just was like really, you know, really cool experience and really, you know, memorable you know? I mean, I mean, I got I got plenty of them. Chad Dawson,

Mark Roxey : 1:08:09

you work with Chad Dawson?

Unknown Speaker : 1:08:12

Yeah, yeah, I got to work with Chad Dawson before Yeah, yep. Nice guy. cool guy. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:08:20

I've worked with thread funny things I've worked with free. It's funny when I when you when you when you've been around so long you want to work on with with, you know, the Son of the Father used to wear. Like, like Tim Witherspoon. I wanted to work in his corner. 10 years late. I worked his son's corner and I work as Matthews cornerto

Walter Waite : 1:08:38

That's incredible. work.

Unknown Speaker : 1:08:41

We get the bad part though, which as he doesn't sit down in the quarters. So people get a good laugh. I just to reach space,

Mark Roxey : 1:08:49

right? Oh, what's

Unknown Speaker : 1:08:50

that guy was that of me standing on a stool photographer gave me a picture when I wanted that. And he's like, Oh, it's a great place to go. Yeah, just the whole room. He was laughing. He means standing on the stool, you know? Yeah. And what's that? What? Yeah, I worked with with Bruce Selden, and I wanted to work with his son Isaiah. You know like a lot of it's it's it's funny you know it's like a guy from near Boston is living with Whitley and he fought for so long and then I thought Come on the Linux videos recorded so Wow. Oh my god, it's just you know, I guess you know, like I start to become the old timer you know in

Mark Roxey : 1:09:32

time box and I didn't box in a long time so

Unknown Speaker : 1:09:35

yeah. Good. I had um, I had it evolves pelts.

Unknown Speaker : 1:09:42

God love them. He he had a fighter named big john poor is a squid fisherman. He was just as big white guy. You know, they eat a lot of punches and he could punch like it's like a like a Trump, right? But he didn't have a huge amount of skills. But he was he was he was Got a broader crowd, you know? And one night fighting a guy in the other corner called himself the meeting machine member from Longest Yard right I'll do stuff the mean machine, right? Well, he had the same colors and the black and red you know, whatever. But he his trainer with Bronco McCarthy's father and I do them because I work with Bronco macaque before when the father Okay, and he cut john really bad real bad i mean if I was practically hanging out it's all on you know and I'm working on in between rounds whatever. And, you know, Russell's kept running up to the corner, he's yelling I'm

Unknown Speaker : 1:10:45

sorry. I'm screaming at him, you know, he's screaming on the ship. You know? And, and, and, you know, bring them out and the other corners calling. Kept they told me Anthony they kept saying this gopher, there's no way you can stop that. There's no way you stop in that. Like they would get up and he'd be fresh as a daisy Mega Man. It's a little shot of winning the fight. And it was a big joke in the paper john said Ah, they're like Joe did a good job where he goes yeah, I think I was doing an extra $5 right and I'm still waiting for that find out Yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:11:21

Waiting but

Unknown Speaker : 1:11:22

yet when we come to town, we gotta have you

Mark Roxey : 1:11:28

Yeah, no, I enjoy working with you too. I mean, you already know there I know. You know what what about what about Christine Carter? Oh, man. That's my boy Christine Garda. I know I know

Unknown Speaker : 1:11:40

what is ashamed he all this stuff that he's had about five or six opportunities that he should have fought since you know, since when he you know gets knocked out in and something happened every time his show got the first show he supposedly got canceled, then you know, then something else happened. I think he had it sick or had an injury. So, and then there's COVID Prime now I know he was. He was scheduled the flight. That was April.

Unknown Speaker : 1:12:09

Yep. He was wanting to look like he was

Unknown Speaker : 1:12:12

all ready to go. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 1:12:13

yeah. Yeah. You know, I know that since he was a little, little kids. And I always could see my son actually is 21 years old now, who was like, about six foot tall and 170 pounds. So they wouldn't be able to do it now. But he they used to spar together. When my son My son used to fight and yeah, I mean, I could see you know, the intensity

Unknown Speaker : 1:12:38

and the focus and the skills

Mark Roxey : 1:12:41

smart. You're just a smart kid, man. Really, really smart guy.

Unknown Speaker : 1:12:45

That's the thing. That that's the thing, too. You know, he's smart. Yeah. So he don't need this. If he doesn't want to do it. It's not like I have to

Unknown Speaker : 1:12:56

because he just wants to Yeah.

Mark Roxey : 1:12:59

Spider Man. He's a fighter. That's Yes.

Unknown Speaker : 1:13:00

Hi. Welcome. It is blood. Yeah, he's my three uncles or freakin Yeah. Yep.

Mark Roxey : 1:13:07

So what do you think? on here? So what do you think about that? Because now you kind of brought something up, man because this kid, Christian carto can go bro he can fight 118 pounds. He's like, you know, he's on his way right there, right up to the top 10 he's gonna break that top 10 pretty quickly, and it'll happen relatively quickly for him. And the thing is, is like, you know, he had that one little roadblock you know, something happened, you know, was it was like really kind of like a free I was there. We were fighting that night. I had a fighter on that card. And it was a total freak, you know, freak incident. Yeah, it really was like an incident man. It was like a lucky lucky shot, man. It was a plan and it happened. It happens

Unknown Speaker : 1:13:51

all the time.

Mark Roxey : 1:13:52

You mean so this is what I'm going to ask you. So what is your what Where do you stand on records man I just had I just had a guy on I just had Jeremy Lance Lance was on about we talked about sanctioning belts and then I had a conversation where a great conversation with Russell pellets about you know the state of boxing and the fact that you know there's too many belts man and people to too much credit in the in the win loss column like if you lose that's it right that's Yes Are you on the bone pile? Yeah So what do you think about that

Unknown Speaker : 1:14:30

that's what I argue a prime example is the way I look at it is everybody wants to be 25 and oh and they don't give a flying she had how they got there. They want to fight my grandmother your sister and they don't care and then they don't realize when they got to that point, bringing Oh calm I got beat up so easy by this guy. Because you know, maybe that guy what the real guys you know, I don't believe records Look, look go back and look guys from say the fit He's sick, like, like somebody like Yo, dear fella. Right? Right, literally came to a, he'd win one lose to come back when three, four or five things that wouldn't have been cheaper or it took them a while, you know, which for a lot of other reasons to where he didn't want to, you know, agree to do this or that whatever. But, you know, I don't I don't like it at all because, I mean, I was in a car years ago with somebody who had a bunch of a bunch of like, first round knockouts, right? Like a Cruiserweight. And I'm in a car with two promoters. A manager and a matchmaker. We're driving along, like before a flight, big flight. We're out of town somewhere wherever we work. And they're asking about this fighter. He because he got knocked out in the first round. Now he'd been knocking everybody out in the first round, right? Right so everybody thought he was but he got knocked out in the first round cuz he didn't take it serious for that fight. Whatever boats he got got hit lucky and they will get thrown thrown over the fire. Make them low power. Just like that. Just like that. No meat. And that's the way people look at things. And it's like, you know, that shouldn't be, you know, that's why I give some respect to these guys in MMA. Yeah, I mean, you got guys fighting for titles that are 15 and six, right, right, exactly. And, you know, no problem and they fight their hearts out, let's say like, when I was promoting shows, I wouldn't put down the guy's records on the balance sheet. And I'd have people betting against I'll pick the blue corner you pick them because I would match them up as evenly as I possibly could. Sure and if that meant a five and five guide versus a six and four guy no problem bring it and they make some of the best fight to the night you know and and, and but it gives guys opportunities to get away, right you know, to get you know, to you know, to instead of the tenant or guy always have to fight do and five guy you know, just you know, meaning you're not allowed to fight six fights, but a lot of them is. I mean, how much More is it close to being fixed sometimes?

Walter Waite : 1:17:02

Yeah, you're assigned

Unknown Speaker : 1:17:04

like a girl fight that girl fight last week.

Walter Waite : 1:17:07

Yeah, no. Oh come on, Travis Come on. It's like

Unknown Speaker : 1:17:11

brought in that girl. Anybody she fought we're all strippers. Yeah. Like they were real pro fighters, that the girl that got knocked out ever fought. So she gets in the ring with somebody who's real. And that's what happens. You know, people can die your life and death business. You don't get a license to fight you get a license to kill. I tell people all the time, you could kill a guy step over and walk out. Not only will they take your hand, but they'll put money in it you can leave and nobody should want that to happen. I mean, like conversations would like boom Anthony and you know, he had to live with that because the doctor told him that last punch you hit the guy with killed Yeah, yeah, I mean, you gotta live nobody to want to you know, I mean and he was never right after that and you know, even say like Sugar Ray And it happened to him, you know? Abel Griffith, you know that it affects guys differently, but it's not what you want to do. But you it can happen and it does happen. I've been there when two different times when people died and it ain't funny. Maybe it ain't getting nice and but it's, you know, I don't know, maybe we'll be burning in hell for this. I don't know. I don't know if God wants us to be a pumpkin. He killed it for money. But, but we also do bring a lot of entertainment to the world. So you know, maybe maybe that gets us a path. I don't know. I don't believe in a record so much because I see so many, you know, like, like, see, it's so much when you just build the guy up. And you know, and your average person who's like, like a casual boxing, they don't know any of that. They have no clue they they think fighters are just these guys like somebody in front of me. And Amanda, you want to do many movies. Oh my, you know, the worst thing you ever do is let a fighter pick his own opponent. Holy crap. Even when they build they wind up playing they don't want the guy at the last minute, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, it's very tough. That was one of my hardest jobs I think it was I always made my own magic for my shows, right. And I was doing shows like hires casino and stuff where I was doing them. But you know, and I because I, it's my shows got my name on I gotta make sure everything's gonna come up. And the matches are the most important part. That's what people are there to see. Yeah, and you know,

Mark Roxey : 1:19:36

and when you got a good fair even match exactly, we're gonna create some some explosive energy there and it's

Unknown Speaker : 1:19:43

tough too, because, you know, I understand you know, you got the local kid that you want to see and win because he's got a fan base and this and that and that kind of stuff. But, you know, putting them in with a guy that you could tell may not even know where he is at the moment. That's not a good idea.

Mark Roxey : 1:20:00

But you know, if you got like, like, what, what, what we both know is that if you got a fighter who's who's actually an earner, and he's the real deal, right? You're the real deal. Then you go you take him, right and you put them in with fights that are gonna really challenge them and bring them in and that's right.

Unknown Speaker : 1:20:21

You happy? At least you got to at least be in like, Yeah 6045 you mean? Sure? Like at least a 64? You don't mean you know? 5050 is when you fighting for a title, right? I mean, I'll give it that. You know what I mean? But you know, but you know, when you get these guys and like, Okay, first five flights, okay, yay, I get it. You're gonna get these guys that are, you know, one one flight away from not being on the flight anymore or something like that. But after that, firstly, you got to step it up due to a halfway decent tournament, then then the next fight but you got to step it up even again, and I mean, yeah, I mean, I get some rounds into you really got it. You know, you know I like to like say what Christine Carter? I like seeing that as as he was evolving that he was starting to go around Yeah, instead of just about two three and boom, boom and guy goes out, you know, I mean,

Mark Roxey : 1:21:11

he's putting in the rounds getting the experiment was

Unknown Speaker : 1:21:13

like the heavyweights of Sony konto. Right work with. So now he is a thoroughbred there is is the real deal. Yeah, he was signed by top rank before you even turn pro. And I remember his mother made me a promise when they used to come to my shows and they'd see me work in the place today always and he would he was lower than me, which is crazy. Now he's six foot five, but always said you're going to be his cut man. And when it was ready, his mother came to me and said I hold my promise. I said Oh, great. And he was you know, knocking about four or five guys out. And then like he went he went the distance with a rough rugged, tough Mexican south pole right and got the rounds in. You know he did he did the full you know, and I was like that's good now because you know what you got off of your your shoulders now. Did you get that knockout? Got a knock everybody out? You know defeatable knockout? No. Now you just you know, you can get those right. He's for that, like somebody guys. In the beginning he was mad. I mean, crack the guy and he falls down and goes, Oh, my knee hurts. So like, Why? He was like what? I wanted to fight, right? He's really, you know, you don't have to worry with him.

Mark Roxey : 1:22:22

He's a bomber man. He can fight. Yeah, he can fight. And

Unknown Speaker : 1:22:26

he's he's like, he's like he's built like almost like a basketball player. I mean, he's got muscles in his feet. up all the way up

Mark Roxey : 1:22:34

for his size. Like 636. Almost six, five. Yeah. So he's Six, five. And he moves like he's like 190 pounder. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 1:22:46

yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like a Cruiserweight.

Walter Waite : 1:22:49

For sure.

Unknown Speaker : 1:22:50

And he was, he was a baby. He was a college baseball player.

Mark Roxey : 1:22:53

Yeah, I could see that your boy he probably paid like second

Unknown Speaker : 1:22:58

picture. Picture Yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 1:23:01

yeah, that's crazy. You were

Unknown Speaker : 1:23:04

in college, they went to the young girl.

Unknown Speaker : 1:23:09

Here the World Series of college. Baseball. Wow. Yeah.

Mark Roxey : 1:23:13

Yeah, he's definitely an athlete. He trains like an athlete. He behaves like, he conducts himself like a, you know, like an outstanding citizen. And he's just a really,

Unknown Speaker : 1:23:23

he has a good personality, right? Sure. Stand up, regular guy. You know, he's not like some meathead that you really like. Because you know, how does businesses show business? Yeah, you know, that ring is our stage. wax. He does a lot of stage acting and any singer everything. He sings the anthem, sometimes the fights, you know, I pointed out that See, that's my stage right there. That's my music. No, it is no different than being in the theater. The only difference is you get you get punched. punches as it is harder.

Mark Roxey : 1:23:55

Now. It's harder. Yes, you gotta have the theater of boxing. Yes, you got to have the skills. Yep, you gotta

Unknown Speaker : 1:24:03

have Yeah. Well as I used to have a fine or above in my gym and it said caffeine enough, right? That's what it said in my DNA, guys. Oh, if you're just tough go play football. Yeah, know for sure. I mean, because you can't just be tough if you can, but you're not going to get too far. Very far. Yeah, people people think fighters are stupid. You might get stupid over here but very good. You got to be a good fighter. You got to be very smart. So tell us everything on a split second common action. And then to react it is like to say George Foreman says boxing is a sport that all other sports aspire to be? Yeah, it is no other sport on the earth. And and no offense to MMA or anything like that. But it's a it's a whole different animal. Different. I like to say that in that there's almost no no, there's practically no rules here. I mean, you guys are nuts. Okay, whatever. But you know, when You need them in the back and your elbow on the side of his head like, you know, it's illegal street fight. You mean but I mean those guys, they get in there, like him all the respect in the world, but your average hundred and 85 pound MMA fighter. If he was a pro boxer, you'd be about 155 pounds, right? Right. This whole difference in shape, there's a mind different mindset. There's, it's like I've met MMA fighters, I'll be like wrapping their hands, and they really don't know who I am. Or they know me, but they'll just know me as a company and then we're used to boxing. Oh, yeah, I was born. It's ugly. You know?

Unknown Speaker : 1:25:37

Cheers, cheerio. You know, I knew what you were. I was a boxer, but oh my god. Like they're like, holy shit. Now at the science. I'm like, Yeah, no kidding. You're right. Yeah.

Mark Roxey : 1:25:49

Yeah. Yeah. So, but what what, um, what do you what do you think about this news of the Errol Spence and Garcia

Unknown Speaker : 1:26:01

I was just about to bring that up. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:26:04

I know, going back. I've known Danny since he was eight years old, I guess.

Unknown Speaker : 1:26:12

But, I mean,

Unknown Speaker : 1:26:14

I saw that kid. His father brought him in the gym. Right? And said, you know, my kid wants the box. He's always watching it on TV and he's shadowboxing this. He was like, Can you see if he has anything? You know, and I was, it was at the Harrogate gym in Philly. And I was I was training some guys there at the time. Right. And I mean, you know, we're going back 20 some years ago, and he said, If he doesn't, if you don't think he has anything, I'll take him home. But if you do, I'd like you guys to work. Right. So there. That was like a Tuesday by Saturday. He was fighting in an amateur fight. That sounds natural. He was. Yeah. And he had over two years. I mean, obviously, you know, and he's a Good nice guy you know Stand Up Guys I'm very respectful guy and he's he's put his dues in he's done really well I just don't know at this point if he would come out with spent I might have to get a pic I gotta give it to be honest with you right Errol Spence is is is the arrow Spence before he got in a car accident What the hell? I don't know I don't even know you know I hear conflicting stories I hear that you know he could barely stand up right here nobody's training here he's not I don't know but a car accident like that I mean you know what

Unknown Speaker : 1:27:38

to take out of them

Unknown Speaker : 1:27:38

and you don't know the engine broken so the connected car accident came back on five titles we look at look at Willie Peck we took was in a freakin plane crash back six months later he was back like wow you know in formulas for another 15 years after that yeah Willie Pep to me. That's you Best boxer ever.

Walter Waite : 1:28:01

That's a real fighter man,

Unknown Speaker : 1:28:02

the willow the Wisp. Yeah. He's known as a boxer. You know, he was he was number one. And then to me, obviously, Sugar Ray Robinson number two, but everybody's always on like, now I'm like, I had over 220 some fights. I'm like, he just, he fought everybody. And he's the only guy to ever walk around without throwing a punch. I mean, I you know, I mean, he, and this is a time when guys you saw get out 40s and 50s and 60s. I mean, and he fought for like, 25 years. And I met guys, I have friends. I know a guy, an older guy from Philly, that don't belong to the same club. I did. And he told me he fought Willie twice, wow. At the end of his career, and he was like, I was so scared. And he said he, he beat the crap out of me. And that was at the end of his career. If it had been boring when he was in his prime, I would have died. He said, right. He was like, well, we would have killed me and he said, Yep, Yeah, so he used to fly around the places from town to town, fighting the local heroes. Right?

Mark Roxey : 1:29:06

Right. Anybody could get his hands on. Right? Yes, I am. I just, you know, I obviously, I wanted to get Danny on on the program, Danny Garcia on the program to kind of chop up to suck up and coming fight with Errol Spence because I

Unknown Speaker : 1:29:21

would like I would love to see him to see him. Wait, I really want

Mark Roxey : 1:29:26

me to Well, listen, I think if there's ever a chance for him to, to capture, you know, to really dominate this fight. It's now I mean, yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:29:39

It was first guys first like back and it's not not because of COVID it's friggin because he was in a horrendous car accident

Mark Roxey : 1:29:46

and Danny's got skills, man. I mean, dailies left hook bro. He's got more than just a left hook up. People always go Well, yeah, he's only got two left. His left hook is like he getting hit with a cinder block. But but he's got he's got it right Yeah, yes, yes. Oh yes, I know so so I really love to see Danny man what would that be great for Philly it'd be great for Dan Yeah Really? pops it'd be great for all you know for the whole everybody. Community bro that would be amazing and I'm really, you know No, I love Errol Spence to skills pay bills yeah and amazing pugilist, but I gotta go with Danny man. I'm just going with Danny because, you know I think that if they put together the right game plan and put together the right team

Unknown Speaker : 1:30:32

focus Mm hmm. Totally focus on everything he could dominate this fight

Mark Roxey : 1:30:38

is time this is this is his time. This is Danny Garcia's time right now. This is his time like this is it? Yeah, you know,

Unknown Speaker : 1:30:45

he's gonna get it. Now. I remember I remember I was there in

Unknown Speaker : 1:30:50

the Navy place in Brooklyn, the

Unknown Speaker : 1:30:55

bark, bark bark loss in the

Unknown Speaker : 1:30:57

first bike ad there. He fought Morales. Right and, and

Unknown Speaker : 1:31:06

I knew I was like, Hey, he's there. He's on his way.

Mark Roxey : 1:31:09

Yeah, that was a sad day for me, man. I was always sad to watch it. morale was cool. I like that. Yeah, I know. Right. That wasn't that hard. I mean, like, Eric mirallas man, he was your ear bro. And the way that he sat down, you know, you know, I was at I was talking about this on the last boxing breakdown I was on. I was I was actually at boardwalk Hall. When a tour Oh God, he had his last fight. Joey Yeah, when you fought Alfonso Gomez, and yeah, and he did the same thing that Erik Morales did. It was the same geography in the ring. And it was the same sit down and when I saw Morales do that that's exactly what I thought I was young that was God he bro same exact thing.

Unknown Speaker : 1:31:58

Oh wait. He was he was electrifying and even really crazy too but he was a great guy and I know and cool to talk to and everything Kevin drink lives Yeah. But when he used to come in and they start playing at thunderstruck I always said nobody should ever be allowed to be able to come out to thunderstruck ever again. They should have retired that right? right because when they start playing that and tuxedos lead them out to the ring and it's like, just you get chills and it was like holy shit. Yeah, you know, you know, I remember I was there at the ball call when it was a Tim Gaddy ward.

Unknown Speaker : 1:32:37

Wow.

Unknown Speaker : 1:32:39

I thought was the best one of the three.

Unknown Speaker : 1:32:42

That was oh my god. That was like, electrifying. Now,

Mark Roxey : 1:32:45

you were in the arena for that fight. Oh, yeah. I wish I was there. I wasn't there.

Unknown Speaker : 1:32:53

I saw the T shirt that I never wore from it.

Mark Roxey : 1:32:55

Ah, you gotta wear that T shirt. Oh, you probably. You probably saving that That's like a collector's item. I don't even hear it, but I got it. I know I got a friend of mine brought me a T shirt back from from wild card. And what was his name? Oh.

Unknown Speaker : 1:33:15

trainer out there. Wow card.

Mark Roxey : 1:33:20

Who's the wild card? Freddie Roach. Darren Why couldn't I just remember Freddie Roach? Is that too many shots? Yeah. Sorry, Freddie. Sorry. Yo, Freddie signed. He signed the shirt for me. Right gives me I get this shirt right. And it's sitting in my in my closet. I'm like, Yo, this is a wildcard shirt. I really like this shirt. And his autograph is on it. Should I just wear it? I just started wearing autograph went away. But thanks for the shirt. Thank you so much for the shirt. Ready? Roll? That was awesome shirt. And you signed it for me bro. Even even better, so shout out. Freddie Roach wildcard Jim Yeah. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:01

good guy. Yes.

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:03

Yeah, really, really? And,

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:05

um, so you know who were the first fighter that Freddie Roach ever trained?

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:10

It wasn't he an actor? Yep. It was Mickey Rourke

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:14

Mickey Rourke Yes. I actually I had the contract somewhere. He was supposed to fight somebody else who was like a doctor. Right? Right. And the guy at the last minute like what the hell am I doing? I really shouldn't be doing this you know? So I said I would do it right so I was given up like 10 pounds or whatever and I was like all ready to do it and then he backed out because you know, he was looking for somebody with one arm and one like

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:42

I love him and

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:44

I was like, yeah

Unknown Speaker : 1:34:47

But yeah, but like Freddy was trick train them and but he was like, he said he spent four or five hours in the gym but at the timings either on the phone smoking a cigarette, bullshitting doing nothing. He was like Yeah, come on, man, if you're gonna do it is, you know, you got to really do it right? Because he was in a movie called homeboy, right? Mickey Rourke and it was about a bar down on our boxer. Right? And you know, it was like that one more punch and he could be dead. And in the end, one more punch. he winds up dying, whatever. But I guess he thought, you know, oh, this is easy enough because I did it in a movie,

Mark Roxey : 1:35:23

right? Yeah. Wow. Crazy daddy's you know and speaking of Freddie Roach free speaking of Freddie Roach, right. So supposedly, there's a couple of things that are happening in the boxing world right now. Right, one of which is I heard that Manny Pacquiao may be fighting Mikey Garcia. Everybody's wanted Manny Pacquiao. Everybody wants right now. Everybody's been like, you know, talking it up and trying to, you know, light light a fire under Manny Pacquiao. And it looks like it's Mikey Garcia. Is that true? Do you know about that?

Unknown Speaker : 1:35:58

I have heard about that. I just don't No, I don't know that they're gonna light a fire enough under attack. Yeah to do anything.

Unknown Speaker : 1:36:03

Right. Right. It's hard to be right.

Unknown Speaker : 1:36:07

Freaking governor or whatever

Walter Waite : 1:36:08

the hell he is was congressman.

Unknown Speaker : 1:36:11

Yeah, he's building houses for poor people anywhere he's at he's like a king there you know i mean and then you know but I mean yeah so so incredible fighter

Mark Roxey : 1:36:21

so um basically Manny Pacquiao, his advisor came out and said that so that came from one of his visor advisors, right, I guess his name is Sean, Sean, Sean, Sean give Gibson right here. guy, that guy came out and said that they were looking at Mikey Garcia for his next fight. So you know, that I like that. I like I like that. Yeah. 147 right. Yes. Yeah, I would. I would like to see that fight. I mean, I mean, that's like, you know, a really good tactician against a really wily Philip. Keno master. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:37:03

Yeah, and he still got here. I still believe he has it. I just don't know. I would hope that his interest is there. I think he lost a lot of a lot out of them. When with Mayweather fight

Mark Roxey : 1:37:17

yeah with that. Also the broker fight too. I mean, II Believe it or not, that broker fight that brona fight you know, he got a detached retina in that fight. And I that's that's not you know, that's not a good injury to have. And it's certainly one to question your eyesight and

Unknown Speaker : 1:37:35

years ago, years ago, that would have ended your boxing for sure. Yeah, yeah, sure. There were plenty of guys that that happened to

Unknown Speaker : 1:37:43

you can't play the one

Mark Roxey : 1:37:45

attach right now. And then I had three surgeries to it. Yeah, yes. No joke. detachment. Man. It's a it's not a game. And when you get one, you better met you better. Like, you know, Ray Leonard had one. You know, yeah, you get You get that you kind of you bow out you say, hey, that's it. If you want to keep your eyesight because real sketchy if you start playing around with that, you know, and then Adrian Bruner, Adrian Bronner, supposedly is looking at to Well, I mean, I don't know if he's really gonna do it, but he's talking about going down to 135. Yeah, no, like he's gonna I guess his next fight is gonna be at 140 if he can get one for the 10 mil, because there he's asking for 10 mils. Yeah, right. Right. But if he gets if he gets his next fight at 140 he will be in striking distance to 135 pounds. 35 Yeah, I just don't I just don't know. How do you think he would? He would hold up in the javante Davis, Ryan Garcia Luke Campbell. Loma, you know, and Lopez like, how's

Unknown Speaker : 1:38:50

he gonna? Not at that weight? No.

Mark Roxey : 1:38:54

You don't think cuz I mean his best fight wait. Like his best work was done when he was at 130 Right. Yeah, he did his best work at 135. So

Unknown Speaker : 1:39:05

that was also, you know, not last year.

Unknown Speaker : 1:39:09

Okay, point well taken.

Walter Waite : 1:39:12

I mean, yeah,

Unknown Speaker : 1:39:14

yeah. So

Unknown Speaker : 1:39:16

so the older you get, the harder it is to get down in a week. You know, like they say, when you if you want to look like you did when you were 20 you got to work twice as hard as you did when you were 20 to look like that when you're 40. And it's not physically possible.

Unknown Speaker : 1:39:28

You know, it's like, yeah, that's a fact facts, you

Mark Roxey : 1:39:33

know? Yeah. And, and then lastly, before we end the program, what about mike tyson?

Unknown Speaker : 1:39:40

Tyson? Oh, I know. Like, Now, obviously, he's looking good on the pads. The whole thing is 54. But he does have the, I think, I think is the perfect opponent that that he has with them. Yeah, they're gonna work as I think. I think we're always going to go out in two rounds. And I like really, I've worked with really yeah, I work closely. with Roy a very nice guy. Yeah, I worked against Roy nice guy um, but you know put it this way whether it was when Tyson was at his prime and Rose as prime or now the same outcome I believe the only thing would he would have took a few more rounds was when when they were in their primes and boy had some good legs right over and we've been knocked out by way lesser friggin Mike

Unknown Speaker : 1:40:31

for sure.

Mark Roxey : 1:40:32

Yeah Mike tie that's my boy mike tyson shout out mike tyson Brooklyn BK in the house. Right

Unknown Speaker : 1:40:39

now he's and Mike is a one way fighter you know he's coming around and I you know now does he had can we can he go like a like an animal for eight rounds? i don't i don't know i i kind of really doubt it. But he's gonna come out the same way is because this exhibition crap that's bullshit because even when I've been involved in exhibition, I've done right every time you wind up in a war Yeah, you wind up this is you know and guess what there are dirt or heck gears in this. I don't think it matter if there was or wasn't there's no eight gears The only thing different there was going to do during 12 ounce gloves. So what do you do to wear two ounce bigger gloves than they would if it was a normal fight? Right? And

Mark Roxey : 1:41:20

you know what, you know what, you can't knock somebody out more you can

Unknown Speaker : 1:41:30

flip to the ring floor, you know, there's nothing more you can do than get

Mark Roxey : 1:41:33

knocked down and it really doesn't take much it doesn't take any of these guys, they both know how to place their punches. You know, things that you know, when you're having

Unknown Speaker : 1:41:44

the only thing that I say to rounds is because I see Roy running around the ring back pedaling around and trying and for around or so. Yeah, I could see him, you know, the old Roy for around yourself. But

Mark Roxey : 1:41:58

if you look at if you look at that The work like there's some footage online that you can see of him doing pads in the gym. He does look super sharp, Roy that is and then, you know, but but definitely you can see he's, you know, for the most part, he's just flat footed. He's just right there in the pocket. And that's not really gonna work. That's not gonna work. That's not you. You know, I would just advise them to really get up on their toes and make sure he's got that the stamina they get because he's gonna need if he's fighting mike tyson even Oh, my Listen, you can the last thing to go with your power as your coach. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker : 1:42:39

A lot of people even say the older you get, the stronger your parents can

Mark Roxey : 1:42:43

know for sure. That's absolutely true. And anyway, the good news is that both gonna make some money. They're both gonna give money to charity. I'm in big. Yeah, yeah. And I'm supportive of that. And you know, they're selling it for 4999 It's a great price to get the fight. You know, I think It's a it's a perfect price point, especially during, you know, where we are with COVID-19 and everything and you know, like $99 you know, it's 3999 so I'm friends together and we get to relive our, our old mike tyson days.