Canelo Vs. Charlo Breakdown and so much more...

This weeks episode of The Boxing Breakdown features boxing discussions including  Canelo  Vs. Charlo,  Frank Martin pulls out of fight with Shakur Stevenson, Errol Spence exercises rematch clause, Connor Benn has a outstanding performance, and Trainer Bomack Arrested in England.

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Walter Waite: 0:11

Ladies and gentlemen, this is fight bands worldwide. You tune into the number one undisputed boxing podcast today. This is the boxing world now, your heavy 100 hard hitting hoes more cracks

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 0:55

what's up? What's up? What's up, and welcome to another edition of the boxing breakdown. I am your host Mark Roxy, and I am here with my partner in crime. Mr. Harold hunt. What's up, brother?

Harold Hunt: 1:09

What's up, man? How you doing?

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 1:11

I'm good man. Welcome back. Welcome back today. To glorious day, we got some much needed rain. And I'm excited about that. Harold, I just wanted to take a moment to welcome the guests. So for those of you that are tuning into the boxing breakdown this evening, thank you very much for being with us. I am Mark Roxy, I am your host, and I'm here with my partner in crime, Mr. Harold hunt. And you can find us by the way, or live on Facebook and on YouTube. And you can listen to our podcast on Spotify, Apple podcast, Google podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. And do not forget to like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram. And yeah, we're also I think we're also on LinkedIn as well but you know, Facebook and Instagram or big ones so you can find us at the boxing breakdown. And here we go my friends, buckle it up, buckle it up, buckle it up, because today we are going to talk about Canelo Alvarez vs Charlo. We're going to break that fight down a little bit and hopefully pump you guys up and get you excited about the upcoming fight. We're going to also explore this Frank Martin and him pulling out supposedly and allegedly pulling out of the Stevenson matchup. So we'll get into that and then we'll we'll talk a little bit about the Spence and Crawford rematch. I think that we got some news on that as well. As you can see Spence exercises that rematch clause. And then finally we will get into Connor Ben and his outstanding performance, as well as biomax arrest he apparently was arrested in house got a bunch of news on that. So without further ado, my friends. Let's get into this Harold, what you got Brother, let's talk about this Canelo Alvarez vs Charlo fight.

Harold Hunt: 3:24

As everyone knows, Canelo is going to be fighting Charlo the younger Charlo and right now they're really being very gracious to each other at the press conferences and their comments off camera. We're used to Charlo being kind of belligerent and arrogant, but his tone this time is completely different from from before. I'm seeing that he he's thinking that he can be Canelo and all that other bravado is not really needed. Canelo on the other hand, he feels like this is his chance to really show the world that He is the best fighter because in light of all the fights that's happening happening happened so far the Crawford specified the other fight with tank and Ryan oosik fight, he wants to prove that he is still the best available so he's gonna be really focused to really fight well and and Charlo is to now if you saw the press conference, you notice that Charles is taller, but he's not as wide. The main thing I'm pulling from this right now is that Charlo feels that once he beats Canelo he's going to move back down and entertain but Crawford and right now who is his comments are really toward Crawford right now. And I believe that you know, mostly it should be about his fight with Canelo so Crawford seems to be in his hair some right now. And I would entertain that I wouldn't even have any kind of talk about that. But it is business because business dictates that either way, if he loses the wins, he may have a chance to fight. Crawford, so I have to give that to him.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 5:17

Yeah, I mean, he, he came back Canelo Alvarez did come out recently stating that he felt that Crawford was a very good fighter. He has stated that on a multiple interviews, but but he also said that he's only won one big fight, he's really only got one big fight against Errol Spence. And there's not much more on his resume. So what do you think about those comments?

Harold Hunt: 5:45

Well, he should say that he looks at his own resume and see he's had huge fights over the years. Right. So all of those fights really qualify him to be where he's at right now. Yes, Crawford has had just one fight that the world really knew about. But if you throw out the names or the fighters, their popularity and look at your skill level, I feel both of their resumes are on par. Because Crawford did find some really good fight is is to now name value and seek value and that type of thing, but they were really great fighters. He had to prove himself and fight quite well, ya know, had great fighters, but they they had cachet.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 6:24

Yeah. So Harold, I'm gonna pause just for a quick second here because what I'd like to do for our listeners is really remind them that this Canelo Alvarez vs Jamel Jamel Charlo is taking place on Showtime pay per view on September 30. At 8pm. Right, this is going to be a pretty pretty big fight and I have a feeling the Pay Per View numbers are going to be outstanding on this one. It hasn't quite heated up early on, like, you know, you normally see these kinds of fights heating up earlier. But I do think part of the reason is that, you know, a lot of people are going back to school, you know, the summer is kind of taking a backseat, now people are getting back into their routine. And so I think there's just like a little bit of lag time here. But I think this thing is going to pop off. Right? So I mean, this is a move that really is staged to make. I mean it's gonna basically set the world on fire as far as I'm concerned in terms of boxing. I want to see this fight. This fight has a there's a lot riding on this fight for Canelo Alvarez and Jamel Charlo. So whoever takes an L here. I think it's going to be a big step back. What do you think about that Harold,

Harold Hunt: 7:48

and now can afford to lose a lot that they lose, right? Only because he has such a huge situation going on with his career and his legacy. A loss for him won't even step him back. He lost the bill, will we be excused that right and earliest could have really lost the floor. And we excuse that. And if he loses here he'll he'll still be excused. So he understand that, as far as Charles can. Charlotte is concerned, he has opportunity to really make history he'll be he'll be the undisputed at two weight classes. And he went up three classes to do it. So he has a lot of thought a lot to gain. But if he loses, he doesn't really lose that much. Because the excuse will be he moved up. He is actually out of his weight class. He's fighting Canelo and that type of thing. Yeah, me. Both of those guys have kind of not I'm a boxing and dropped the ball. But their respect is rampid. And it's so the respect is so prevalent is kind of caused all of the press conference to be kind of mundane, because they've had the major press conference in LA and New York, I believe, and it just didn't grab you as such. So maybe as we get closer, there'll be some some back and forth. Maybe Charles camp and canals can't we'll get into some kind of beef and spice it up. But right now it's pretty mundane.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 9:20

Yeah, well, folks, listen up. Canelo Alvarez is 59 and two with two drawers. So 59 fights, two losses, two draws. Jamel Charlo is 35 wins, one loss and one draw. So this is a very interesting, interesting fight. I believe it's for the IBF WBA, WBC and WBA titles that are on the line. And this fight is going to be taking place as I said September 30. I'll say it again September 30. And He was also in Las Vegas at the T mobile arena. So if you guys are out west and you want to see a really good fight, make sure you get those tickets. If you are close enough to get to the T mobile arena, you won't be disappointed in this. This program is going to be put on by Premier boxing champions. And Brock has broadcasting live on Showtime, as I said before pay per view a pm Eastern Standard Time and 5pm Pacific time.

Harold Hunt: 10:27

So let me interject Yes. 68 is that 168?

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 10:31

Thank you, Harold. Yes, y'all. It is at 168. I declined to say that. And Harold's got my back always. Canelo Alvarez is 33 years old man. You know. So yes. I mean, we're not saying he's old. I mean, we're not we're not going down that road again, right? We're not going down and road like,

Harold Hunt: 10:54

back and forth. But once they see it, he feels very comfortable there. And to me when he moved to 175 and loss, he was getting hit by a bigger man. Right. So to me, that's the situation where, you know, he may have an advantage, but Charles stating that in this training he's doing he's fighting light heavyweights in this, that and the other. And you know, he's working that way to Morgan as a trainer. I guess being a sparring with him heavier man and all that is beneficial. But I don't know if it really translates into actual fight with a bigger man your opinion?

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 11:27

Well, well, Harold, I mean, I think it depends on the circumstances, there are times where you know, for work, you want a heavier fighter, you can exercise on a heavier fighter, you can get your combinations off without the risk of getting hurt, so inspiring, you know, you may you may get heavier fighters to come into camp, because they can take a little bit more of the the onslaught, you know, and they're not going to be, you know, come in one day and leave camp the next day, because they've got a little bit more weight on them. So there's some times that can can help. I mean, I think in in terms of developing a cache of fighters that come in a team of fighters that come in to work with you, fighter, it's nice to have an array of different sizes and muscular types. And I think the reason for that Harold, is because you know, sometimes working fast is good, fast muscle twitch, sometimes it's good to work slower and be more methodical with your with your skill sets, maybe work a little bit more on your defense with the punches coming a little slower in areas and pockets where you're not really that good. So there's a lot of things that that you can do with the size. And then, of course, you know, when you have a smaller fighter and a faster fighter, a lot of times what you're going to get is you're going to get faster hand speed, you can get faster movement, faster reflexes. So if you're fighting a fighter that, you know, if you're preparing for a fighter, that is quicker than you, you may want to pick up to speed right. So there's a lot there. And I really want to thank you for asking that question, because I think it helps the listeners to really understand you know what, what that's about, right?

Harold Hunt: 13:24

True, true. So being both of those guys are utilizing that type of technique, the bigger man, the smaller man to kind of work on different things that they're going to work on. They're going to use in the fight with each other. My overall feel is terminal Sharla rather, is just thinking about being focused and being opportunity that he can possibly win. And I don't think that well he has said that he believes you're not Canelo out now I was watching a little bit of pieces of Canelo recently, and Jacobs hit him with his best left hook. I mean turn his head all around while engagement right and it was clean and it was right on the button and it was powerful. And Canelo didn't even flinch. He took that punch his head snapped to the right snapped right back and he delivered a punch didn't take a step back. He didn't wobble anything. So now with Daniel James who's a pretty heavy hitter, I believe at that time because he was still in his prime at that time, which he still is prime ish if you want to use that word, but at that time, he was definitely in the smack deck of his prime. He was hitting Canelo pretty heavily Canelo has a great chance nor

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 14:38

not only not don't you bring up a great point, Harold, because not only does Canelo have a great end but your gym route Jamel Charlo only has 90 knockouts in his 35 fights. So I mean I shouldn't say only because you know he put 19 of them way with knockout right? But you know when you look at Canelo Alvarez's knockout ratio he's got I mean, he's got 39 of his knockouts, 39 of the 59 fights he's got have come by way of knockout. So I mean, that's fairly, you know, that's a lot of experience knocking folks out. I disagree. Tell me.

Harold Hunt: 15:23

When Sharlto got with his new trainer, now, he became a knockout artist. If you look at the knockout that he occurred after he moved trainers, yeah, he was knocking about left and right. And when he says, I'm a knockout artist, he is a knockout artist with his new treatment, because the narrative was changed. The process was changed. The thought process would change. Yeah, so in my mind, he is a knockout. Knockout fighter. Yeah, of course, it's his record is going to say such but those were before he adapted his knockout mentality and procedure. So he is a knockout fighter, and no punches.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 16:04

So Harold, I mean, that's a great point you bring up and actually you may be 100%. Right about that. And if you're looking at the percentages, if you're looking at percentages solely Canelo Alvarez knockout ratio is 66.1%. While Jamel Charlo is knockout ratio is 54.29%. So they are relatively close. percentage wise, if you're looking at it on paper, the knockout percentage is really not that far off. So to your and I know, that wasn't exactly what your point was. But as I as I delve into the knockout ratio there a little bit more I can see, you know, yeah, he hasn't had as many fights. But you know, his ratio is close. It's 54%. So, you know, all I guess what I'm saying is there, these guys, you know, Eddie Reynoso, who is a very, very skillful trainer, one of the best and will go down in the Hall of Fame, no doubt, as one of the massive most masterful trainers of our air. He's very, very excited about this fight. He believes that he's fighting that he's putting his fighter in with a truly, you know, amazing fighter. And that this is going to really be a test for Canelo Alvarez. But see, everything is not always what it seems in boxing. I look at this fight. And I think this is a perfect style matchup for Canelo Alvarez. For a lot of tactical reasons. I see that Canelo this guy is made for Canelo Alvarez. And so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm right. I've been wrong 50% of the time. So you know, right? I mean,

Harold Hunt: 18:06

who knows, record? For me, that'd be vol, which is a name that may not be mentioned here. If you go back and look at that fight, yeah, evolve by similar to Charlo. He does. And when he does that has done that against Canelo. You see where Canelo breaks down, where his style does not fit that type of style. He can't really work with that as well as he needs to. And I think we spoke on this before Floyd and Phil employed, that style gets involved, employed desta algorithm. They were both successful. Those are his losses. Yeah. So we're looking at Cannella. I mean, Sharlto rather have an opportunity to either emulate those styles or not. If he does, he may have a bit of he may have a chance to do so. I'm sure he's looking at all that and knowing that, you know, that is opportunity. Yeah, I'm just trying to get Canella on in some of that power.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 19:04

Right. Well, look, I mean, I know that that Charlo is super, super excited about this by the shouldn't be Yeah, he's super excited. anybody in their right or left mine would be super excited to have an opportunity to fight. Soule, Canelo Alvarez you know, standing at a record of 59 two and to having this win against a, you know, Hall of Famer, future Hall of Famer anyway, is really a great opportunity for Charlo you know, during

Harold Hunt: 19:41

this opportunity to get in the Hall of Fame also because yeah, he is undisputed. He is undisputed, there's no doubt about that. And you know, before his date type attitude, he was going to best trash talkers and he was just you know, polarizing. You know, we enjoyed the angry Charlo right enjoyed him. just just just stop talking to her, we'd love that. But he's not doing that this time. So it's different, but we have to see how he's going to work it out.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 20:08

Right. And at the top of the program, you did mention that short, low Charlo comes in a little bit bigger. And he does I mean, when they stand next to each other, you know, there's definitely a height differential there. But I'm just wondering if that height differential is kind of, you know, the same. You know, that's kind of what Canelo needs, he needs a little height and his opponent, right?

Harold Hunt: 20:31

Yes, because Canelo style is, I was, I don't want to say punching up. Yeah. But that is what he does and is he's more comfortable when he can deliver in such a manner. And you could see the difference between when he fought people who are by his same height or whatever. And then the ones who are a little taller, delivers punches a little better and that type of thing. So for him height doesn't really matter.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 20:59

No, you know, he some of his best punches. Some of his best punch selections are things like you know, rear upper cut up the middle, a five to the body, left hook to the body, shovel punch to the body, on the left side, check hook on the left side, you know, sweeping hook on the left side, dropping the the rear, for to the body. Those are some of his best shots. So obviously lending those shots against a taller, more lanky er fighter, if you will, makes it makes it really great for him to exercise the punches that actually produce the best knockouts for him in his career. So I'm, I'm excited to see about it, I think Charlo you know, Sharla is not an opponent to play with lightly. He's not he's a very, very serious, skillful fighter. Rough, rough fighter, he will mix it up with you on the inside, he will trade with you on the outside, he'll he'll sneak punches long range and find those those those spots to land shots as you come in. So he has a lot of a lot of things that he can do in the fight as well.

Harold Hunt: 22:13

His defense, to me is his weakest is weak, but it's less than his offense. But like that, right? I'm not saying he has a weak defense at all. I'm just saying it's the lesser of the two. And that is something that Canelo could possibly exploit because when you attack you leave yourself open to be attacked. Right and he is definitely an attacker. So when you do that you leave yourself available. Yeah, not only father I know we do that and get away with it very clearly as your career but we're not talking about him.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 22:43

Yeah, but not Yeah, that is,

Harold Hunt: 22:46

but that is what shark Sharla may have to be mindful of as Canelo is looking for him to attack so he can counter

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 22:56

that. Well hopefully Derek James has, which is actually Jamal Charlo is trainer has a lot of things in in planned, you know in mind to deliver to a Mr. Solo Canelo Alvarez you would need to have quite an arsenal to get in there. Come September 30. And I'm excited. I know this is going to be the undercard is going to be pretty stacked as well. It's going to feature a lot of really, really good fighters. There are formal former title holders on that card. It's gonna be everything from 147 to 160. Woohoo. And again, folks, before we move on here, it is going to be on Showtime pay per view. this coming Saturday, September 30. Listen, do not miss that fight. Okay, Harold. So let's move right along here. Boom, boom, boom. Let's get ourselves over to Frank Martin. Tell me about what's happening with Frank Martin. I understand that he pulled out in the fight which of course Stephenson What's that bout?

Harold Hunt: 24:16

Right now the world the boxing world is shook up. Everyone is doing emergency video podcast courtesy articles and that is just shaking up the word only because this isn't something that's done President it hasn't happened. But in this manner in such a such a while. As you know, Frank Martin did sign up to fight. Stevenson, and everyone was happy about that right. at the ninth hour. He pulled out of the fight now. This is the particulars According to ESPN and Dan Rayfield. contracts were signed As they were to be signed, and everyone was signed it and everyone was ready to to just get the final signatures, and he pulled it out. Right. Martin is forfeiting a million dollar payday. I suspect. I don't know if this is true, but I don't know if he's ever made over 200 grand for a fight, or I mean, ever made that much I don't believe but this is a million dollar fight right now, we're just effectively does is it kind of tarnished his eyes and tortures him in the eyes of the boxing fans, we're saying, You're scared now he's not scared, like that. But there's other factors that we don't know about. But this is the ramification of doing what he did. When you win the Oscar as an actor, yeah. When you do another film, even if that film is trash, they gotta pay you for having that Oscar. They gotta pay you that. So the movie may not do anything, but you're gonna get your number because you have that Oscar. Once you make a million dollars, when you lose your next fight, they have to pay you at round that rent period, because now you have graduated that financial range, and that's where you are, he left that he negated that opportunity. So now he's gonna go back to the low to hundreds to hundreds or whatever it was, I don't know what he got previously. But if he had a took despite, win or lose, he would have to be paid around a million dollars every time he fought for the rest of his career. Now he has get back into position where you can make that kind of money with someone who wants to fight him at that kind of number. We know Stevenson brings that kind of number for him. That was number one. Number two, the boxing fans like what's going on, they don't understand there's politics and this and that and financials, all that. All right, he pulled out last night he chickened out now, his name is Frank Moore and the little skull book going around. I'm not trying to say anything negative, but it's kind of apropos because people have little names for different people. But what they're saying is, he is now Frank Perdue, the chicken man, so that's kind of cute, I would think, but I think he can really turn that around by fighting someone quit and then go right back to Shakur, because he's shaking man, you know, and, you know, but that's what the world is gonna look at. So he hasn't said any. He hasn't given any kind of explanation why he did that. But so two things he has lost. As of now, the guarantee paid a million dollars. The guarantee paydays overwhelming us for subsequent times, the way the way the Boston Public is looking at him. So we have yet to find out exactly what happened if Al Heyman was involved. If they didn't think it was feasible. We just don't know. But it went to you went so far, just to be cast aside.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 27:42

Wow, this is, you know, I'm shaking my head on this one. Because, you know, we've been talking about your course Stevenson for, you know, six months or more about who he's going to fight and the fact that he is one of the pound for pound best fighters out there. Problem is he doesn't get a chance to show it because nobody wants to fight him. And it's pulling out more. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's an awful situation for sure. It's not much better for top rank, right? I mean, because they need their fighter in the fight. They need to be able to put him out there so they can build him after all of the investment that they've spent. shakur has only got 20 fights. Right. And I don't mean like he's only yet 20 fights. He's got 10 knockouts in the 20 fights. And, you know, that's a 50% knockout ratio. It's not bad. It's close to Jamel Charlo a trillion dollars only 54%. So he can keep that rolling. You know, he might even be able to lift that up as he grows into his body and get stronger and stronger and more experienced in the ring. But the problem is he's not getting the fight. He can't get any fights. And the thing about this despite was supposed to take place at 135 pounds. Frank Martin does the South Pole. very crafty very skillful southpaw. I was excited to see this fight because my thought was oh, Shakur really put himself in deep here or his his camp put him in pretty deep here and what's that about? Right this is gonna be he's gonna really have to prove himself. So, you know, I mean, we never know what's happening in the back. This was also going to be for the vacant WBC lightweight title, which was vacated by

Harold Hunt: 29:33

Devin Haney. And Haney have the one exactly 140 So you could find a reduced progress, but you're curious hurt by this too. Yes. His his and his his illness. His number is guaranteed. They're gonna say we have to pay you less. Yeah. So he comes down as far as what he's supposed to be paid unless it was a guarantee that he would. The contracts weren't signed. They can renegotiate everybody else. But So was

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 29:58

this a situation where top Franck shot over the contract to the to the band camp being camp and they didn't like the terms or what the terms agreed upon contract was sent for signature and and it just wasn't signed

Harold Hunt: 30:15

everything was agreed upon and so all you have to assign it whatever clause came up or whatever concern came up right came up at the very last minute he he said no so if you're not going to sign the contract you're going to voice that this that doesn't go well and then you can hear about a week ahead of time or you know, whatever, but where you are right there at the signing table however their power they're doing it and then you pull out the very last minute and you don't know what exactly what it was and we still don't know exactly what it was. That's just suspect to the fans. Yeah, family mark you and I know there's so much more in the background that we don't know that really can cause this type of thing to happen. But the people outside who are not privy or who don't choose be pre because some people say yeah, I know how that stuff works, but I don't care about that. I'm a fan and I want this to happen. Those people are somewhat no surprise so this is where we're at right now with them. I don't know how it's gonna work out now. Another fighter wants to go ahead and fight him I believe his name is Sandra ball he's like number five down there Yeah. And he's he's this is his opportunity to really you know get himself in the limelight fight you were no one else question how many people pulled out before Frank three people pulled out of note they pulled out Yeah, so the fight may still go on or not we just don't know Mark

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 31:44

right it was a fight was scheduled for I believe no in November right. That was scheduled for November venues

Harold Hunt: 31:50

were lined up one in New York and one was in Vegas. So we don't even know what venue pulled out if you're going to have the venue if the seating is you know, they still want to do it if the other guy can even sell tickets. All of that it's just all up in the air

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 32:04

sloppy sloppy. Sloppy. Everybody sloppy you guys come on top rank and PVC and all you guys got to get this thing together so we can make this fight. So core needs this fight. And you know, Conor ven needs this fight too. Or I'm sorry, Connor bet. Frank Martin is just fine, too. You know, I mean, if he doesn't get

Harold Hunt: 32:27

the opportunity to thrust himself in space, yeah. Even if he lost, it's kind of like if you lose to Floyd, you're gonna pass. Yeah, if you lose a secure Who is he will be a one of the greatest fighters of all time, just because his skill set is so sublime. He's even gotten even into what he can really do. So you lose him early in your career and his career. It's okay. You can take that loss and still be a viable candidate to the promoters that works in the fans, but he's just sidestepping them for whatever reason. I'm not criticizing but he's, it is happening. It's happened,

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 33:08

ya know, and it's just, you know, she, of course, Stevens and if you're listening, this is not the first time a fighter is avoided, like the plague. You've spent your life training to be an amazing fighter. You've developed the skills of an amazing fighter. You have the pedigree of an amazing fighter, you've been trained to be an amazing fighter. And so because of that, people are going to avoid you. They are going to have to eventually fight you. Okay, because eventually, they're you are, they're gonna have to come through you. So, you know, good luck with it. All I'm saying is that we really want to see your core up on the big big stage. Sure Shakur hails from Newark, New Jersey, shout out Newark, New Jersey and Chateau Shakur Stevenson, more to come on that saga, there's going to be a lot more coming down the pike in the next day or two about that. And so stay tuned for that. If you are listening in thank you for being with us. If you are on Youtube, we appreciate that. Make sure you hit the like and subscribe, along with the notifications down below right down there, right down there. Down there. And if you're following us on Facebook, you know, share it, hit the like button, share it with your friends. I'm sure there's tons of people out there that would enjoy the program and we would appreciate your kindness. Yeah, if you're watching on or you're not watching, if you're listening on Spotify, Apple podcasts, Google podcasts or where ever you get those podcasts. Thank you. And just leave us a review. Let us know how we're doing and By the way, YouTubers and Facebookers, you guys can actually leave your comments, we just opened up the comment line. So if you want to get in there and drop a comment, we didn't schedule this broadcast. So it's just anybody out there who's floating around. And you also can put your comments in the comment box after the broadcast has been completed. So whatever it is, we love, love your comments. And so anyway, let's move on right here. Okay, let's get into this. Errol Spence. And Terence Crawford rematch. Apparently, Errol Spence has exercised the rematch clause. Is that correct? Harold?

Harold Hunt: 35:45

Yes, according to the people out there who are into the boxing world. He did, in fact, invoke the rematch. Okay, so that being the case, it ties but up, because the bird wants to take the winner of Canelo and Charlotte. Okay, now he's obligated per contract, to go ahead and rematch with Spence, no, Spence, mindset is of getting back. He's not concerned about the money. He's not concerned about anything else. I know as myself as me, if I get beat up in the street. I tell him, we're gonna fight again tomorrow, right? And then the speech again. We're gonna fight again tomorrow. All right, and if he beats me again, we're gonna fight. We're gonna fight every day, until I'm victorious. And if he wants to fight again, we're gonna fight again. Right? Because it's about to get back. Y'all take the weapon, but I'm gonna try to get you the next day. And if I can't get you the next day, I'm gonna get you. I'm trying to get you the next day. You got to work me every every every day. One day, you won't. Yeah, so that is Spence's attitude. Yeah, he doesn't care about anything. He's got to get that get back. And he wants to do that. Now. Even if you get to get back and you lose. Wilder did that that type of thing. mentally, emotionally, you understood that that fighter has a better skill set to you. Yeah, but you have to prove to yourself that you gave it your best shot the second time, you still didn't prevail. But in your heart in your mind, you did the best you could and you can accept that and move forward with your life. So he is about the Get back. Now people saying well, you're gonna get beat the word worse, because you may have problems with the weight, and now you come in better, but so we'll but But he'll be stronger, you know, because he doesn't have to come up with the weight. Now the gloves are going to be larger, because the gloves are going to be larger gloves to talk about it's gonna be eight to 10 ounce gloves. So we have to see if you know the speed will be the same because it glows a larger, we have to see if the damage will be the same because the gloves are larger. And the men themselves will be larger and more compact because of the weight. So that's what it's about nice. It's not even for title. Because it's not fighting at 47 is going to be 54 So it'd be a non title fight. Maybe some of the things you guys have put together some silver bills or some anniversary bill for some kind of bill so they can have a optic of bills being on the line because agile fan doesn't really know about you know, the real the all the bills being there, but they didn't notify us can come off and you got to have some kind of hardware for the fans to to recognize. Yeah,

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 38:43

for sure. Yeah, but I mean this there's something to what you just said something very, very important that I want the listeners to really hear in what you said which is that you know, Spence must believe that he can win this fight down at 154 What do you think he thinks you think he's he's thinking well, I'm striking be stronger there or what? What is it that's happening? That makes him think that he can do a better job against Terence Crawford at 154

Harold Hunt: 39:15

Possibly despite my thought he's thinking that his punch resistant will be a lot better now. Because as you know, he takes punches to deliver he just wears you down you hit him with with your with the clean work. He's still there. You hit him again with clean work, he's still there. He's still coming. He's gonna just overwhelm you like, just just overwhelmed like a tsunami just kind of coming coming coming, never stopping. He didn't have the punch resistance possibly. I'm not making excuses. I don't know. But when he got hit, it affected him every time maybe at 54. When he gets hit with some of those type of punches. He can continue his his his mode of operation. He's not going to come in here but boxing or anything else. or, you know, counter punching, he's gonna do what he does. But he feels like at this weight, my opinion, he will have greater punch resistance, and he can do what he usually does and overwhelm. But with the with the frequency of his work.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 40:14

Yeah, I just think, Harold, I get all of that. And I think that 154 only makes Terence Crawford faster. It only makes him faster to do what he did. I don't I don't really see you as a coach. You know, if I've got Errol Spence, that's my fighter. And I just watched him, you know, lose the way he lost? He's going in now with a new trainer to I believe. Yes, he is. And and he's facing the guy that just beat him at a higher weight. Fighting at 154 seems to me to be like a reckless kind of situation for Errol Spence. And maybe, do you think it's a money grab? Or do you think it's legitimate, that he believes that he can win this fight?

Harold Hunt: 41:05

Well, as I said before, the your ego is such a tremendous motivator in life. And it sometimes denies logic. And when it does, that, you're just acting, you're acting on your your emotions, and you may or may not be looking at a different strategy. Of course, they are, of course, this and that, and the other but, but the basis of the rematch clause is to get get that get back, you know, I've got to get that get back, no matter what I do, I've got to have opportunity to do that. transition to another pay day, it translates into opportunities for him to stay at 54. That type of thing. Once again, he may get a pass, because he's, he's losing to a very great fighter. And he himself had many years of being, you know, the greatest fighter out there at that weight class, we just have to wait and see.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 42:08

Well see, the thing is, is I like I don't subscribe to this idea that Errol Spence just had a bad night and lost to a better fighter that night. I don't really subscribe to that I didn't like I did not like the way Errol Spence looked in the last fight. I didn't like the way he looked at the end of the last fight. I was very, very concerned for Errol Spence as a trainer, right. And as someone who knows the damage that is inflicted in a professional price fight like that one, I am just a little bit worried about it. Because I don't, I don't see that the fight is going to be any different. And when I'm 54, I think that you've got a situation where, you know, he's just as strong. He's and He's fast. He's faster, the punches are going to come in faster. Now.

Harold Hunt: 43:10

We got to nose gloves. Now.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 43:12

I understand. I understand the 10 ounce gloves. So what does that I mean, 10 ounce hurts just as much as eight ounce cups.

Harold Hunt: 43:20

But the initial from what I understand that initial delivery, is going to be somewhat weighted, if you will. And as the fight goes along, then the water and all that starts to condense into the gloves, and they're they're heavier, yeah, as you go along. So if you're used to doing lighter gloves, you know, maybe that'll make it a factor. But I don't know, I'm not a fighter. I haven't been in there to throw. I haven't used eight ounce gloves and go with 10 ounce gloves. So I don't know how that feels. I don't know what it's like when condensation water gets in. I just don't know. But I just believe, from my basic understanding that it shouldn't be a little hard to throw a heavier glove.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 44:06

Listen, what all listen, that's why that's why I said what I said in the previous comment, Harold, because Errol Spence did not look good. He's He's I don't know, what is causing him to appear to have very, very poor reflexes. His equilibrium wasn't right. His his, his, you know, his kinesthetic awareness wasn't good. Like he just wasn't able to get where he needed to get and he was getting touched. And when he was getting touched, it was hurting him. You could see that he was hurt. So I Yeah, man. I hate the punch resistance just isn't there. I don't know if it was the car accident. I don't we've been bringing these things up and speculating about what it is. But here's my concern. We as A boxing community also like the number one thing is a coach. For me as a coach, my number one responsibility is to make sure that I keep my safe, my fighter safe at all times. That is the most important job that we have as a coach is to keep our fighters safe. Now that can be through tactics, it can be through preparation. But most importantly, it's by keeping an eye on our fighter and knowing when you know enough is enough, right? So and that's a hard call to make. But that's our job to make. There's no emotion attached to that. It's like, hey, this, this towels going in there because you just took too many blows. That's it. And I just, I'm putting it out there because I'm concerned about Errol Spence. And I'm putting it out there because I know, I know that he dares to be great. I get all of that he dares to be great. He is great. He's an amazing fighter. But I'm legitimately concerned about the damage that he took his last fight and his hackles as it were

Harold Hunt: 46:08

hit those things were affected. I don't think any of those things were a factor. Yeah, he was a young man, when that happened. He was able to bounce back. Yeah, I believe he has good genes. I believe all of that the cortex in the eye injury and all that. For me, I don't believe that's the factor, what I possibly can see is maybe is really draining him to do 147. Then mark, as you know, that lowers your resistance to everything because your body is not where it needs to be. He's an older gentleman. Now, we're not saying it's Oh, but you know, this bike needs to be melted down to 147. This may or may not be what he needs this needs to be at. So as I said earlier, possibly he is plus resistant goes up, he'll feel better in this training camp. He'll be more comfortable. And he'll look out for that. So network that he got that put him down, no, maybe he'll change some things. So he won't be as headed, he's still gonna get hit. But maybe he has opportunity to really overwhelmed. But as I said before, I believe he absolutely needs this mentally. If he even if he loses again, he needs to know that he's he did a good job. And he tried his best to, to, to get to get back. And he just was beaten by a better fighter. And as he said, he saw the three kings of Mayweather fights and having fights and all those kinds of fights. Those guys went back and forth, beating and losing and winning with each other back and forth, back and forth. He wants to be in that. So for him to losses, just a loss. And he has to kind of rebound as he saw his heroes do in the past.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 47:48

Yeah. No, I get it. But I tell you, I want to go on record by saying I'm very concerned about his neurological health. And, you know, I don't see any reason for him to go. I mean, other than the money. The money is very real. The money is so real and so good. That I get it, I get the allure. It's life changing money, for sure. But I just, you know, I'm not sure that it warrants losing a man's life for it, you know, so So for me, that's where I stand.

Harold Hunt: 48:25

That's that's, that's dire right there.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 48:27

Well, no, I mean, listen, man, you can lose your life in the boxing ring. Anytime I've seen guys. Listen, people do not if you're a coach, and you've worked with professional fighters, I've worked with a lot of professional fighters. And make no bones about it. Stepping into that break. You are putting your life at risk, every time. And if you think as a fighter that you're not, you really need to think about what you're doing, because it is very, very serious. You have to be prepared. This is a sport of gladiators. It's a sport. It's a blood sport, it's a sport, you fight, you know, the job is to take the other person out. And there have been many, many times where fighters have been taken out to the point where they've been hurt severely damaged eternally and have not made it out of the ring at all. So I say that because we have an obligation to be able to see what like I know what I'm looking at. Because I've looked at it so many times and I've seen it so many times. And it is not uncommon for us to simply say I will not allow you to spar anymore. You are done. Simple because your life I don't even have to give you the because I'm telling you, it's over for you. And our job as coaches is to help help the fighter transition into other aspects of life that don't involve being in the ring. And I think it's important for fighters to know when that is and so maybe it's not this fight, but I'm concerned that's all I'm saying. And that what I was talking about is really a lesson and for those that are listening into our podcast, Harold, that are really you know, they tune in all the time they're in boxing, you know, we do not play boxing as a trainer if you know you come to my gym, you come to the you know, anywhere I'm training, you know, what we're talking about, we are not playing boxing, and you know, on a collegiate level on a or even as a as a young amateur, it's fun. There's lots of lessons you know, everything is super, super regulated. But once you take those the headgear off, and you take those gloves and you make eight ounce gloves is literally like getting hit with a bare fist. Trust me. Trust me when I tell you it is a those knuckles hurt, babe. So anyway, that's that. Let's move it right along to a much brighter note, which is basically Connor, Ben, outstanding performance. What's up? What's up? What's up with that?

Harold Hunt: 51:43

Caribbean was trained by Roy Jones. Yeah. And he attempted to really emulate Roy Jones and he respected Roy Jones. And he tried so hard. And if you look at some of his face, when he was being trained by Roy Jones, he actually had some of the same footwork and movement, you know, all of that, hands down that type of thing. But that really wasn't what he could really do. And he was, he was he, he looked good, but he did lose his last five would be a knockout. Not necessarily because of the Roy Jones style, but he was open for and he was. So as you know, he went ahead and employ Womack, Crawford's trainer, right helping out vo Mack was only within about maybe two or three weeks. But it was more of a mind reset for Conor being to be able to understand that he has a certain skill set, there's no need for him to emulate anyone else. Just do what you do. Yeah. And, and take the mindset that that is around the Bomag Crawford type area in the training. So all of that just really took his mind to a nother level where he's going to be more productive. Now, in the fight. It actually showed up the first rounds or so he was very cautious because he didn't want to get hit again like that, right. But after the fifth round when he realized that he can be himself, there's no need for him to emulate or use any techniques other than the basis that he knows. He went on a tear and he dominated and he knocked a knock his opponent out for him is just put him back to where he was. Everyone has a little slip up or football or you had a scrum training risk procedure or game plan. Yeah, he clip he got clear, but this looks like he was never clipped. It looks like that he has a game plan and a mindset going forward. That's going to do nothing but offer him success.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 53:49

Wow. Yeah. Well, listen, congratulations to kind of Ben for an outstanding performance. And we look forward to seeing a lot more of this young man and we'll probably end up featuring him on our program, and really breaking down, you know, all his skill sets. And, you know, once we get a little bit more of an opportunity to see this guy will be breaking all that down. I mean, Harold, let me ask you something. You had some news on Bomag too, right?

Harold Hunt: 54:22

Yes, yes. Bo Max, a trainer had a weapon that he brought with him from America to the UK. For protection. Yeah, he stayed at last time he was there. Someone tried to rob him of his of his wallet. Oh boy, if he was robbed or he was attempted robbery, he didn't say but he said all my return. I'll be ready. Now what's ironic about this is he had the the weapons and ammunition in America and it got by By the TSA there, what got to he got to UK. And when he arrived there, it got through there. But on his exit from UK that's when it was found. So in my mind why I say here in America may have dropped the ball, the TSA, I don't know what's called in entity there, they didn't catch it only upon his exit. What is ironic is the cops in UK don't carry guns. So they're very strict on guns there. He is now held in the UK for 45 days until his his arraignment, oh, you're in, in in custody, they're eating their food, sleeping there and dealing with it. Now he's a multimillionaire, but his money doesn't translate for him to have opportunity. They don't care about your money, you have to be detained until your court date comes up, right. But I'm thinking that there's other people culpable. There's other people who are responsible for this, as in why was he stopped in America first. So he wouldn't even get on the plane to get over here and contraband. We have to fight without that type of thing. And why when he got into the country, they didn't catch it. On his way out. They caught it. So there is some blame to be spread around here. He obviously carried that gun on several occasions on his travels. So he has a permit. And yes, that and the other. I believe he just didn't do it on a whim bottle. He understands the situation. So we had to see how the courts are going to they're going to deal with it.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 56:53

A couple of things about this. It was it was possession in England, right because he had the gun was discovered in England. Right. And it was a gun.

Harold Hunt: 57:04

Right. His exit mark on his exit not as injury.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 57:07

Yeah, but it was in England, right? Yes. Yeah. I just want to make sure because the listeners I want to make sure they understand what happened here. The other thing is that it was at the Manchester Airport. And Harold something to think about. It's very possible that he had a permit from where was he coming from? Where did he do you know where he flew out of?

Harold Hunt: 57:33

I can't say I know you know he's busy station with but in Nebraska, but I believe maybe he had he flew out New York or I don't know I can't say

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 57:43

so because that's good that that's very material to the to the conversation because I'm not sure where he flew out of but but here's why I'm saying that or why I'm asking the question. Because if he had if he flew out in Nebraska, maybe their gun laws are such that he can travel, you know, there's open carry or perhaps there's there's a gun law that says you can you know what I mean? Like you can conceal carry. And then if that's the case, he concealed carry, took it on the plane, the plane goes up in the air, that's nowhere space, but he entered the airport that allowed that to be I don't really know, all I'm saying is that, and then he gets there. He goes about his business, he comes back to the airport to go home. And they pinch him there. Right. So I mean, it's possible that something like that occurred because I don't see how he gets through the airport, TSA, I just don't see how that happens. You know, unless he, I don't I don't think he would have smuggled the gun is what I'm saying. I think he legitimately thought it. I'm sure there was a passage for him to take that gun to England, and he thought he was good, but he wasn't. And this has happened a lot of times, even in the US where, you know, I know Newark, New Jersey. Newark Airport is notorious for that. You can have a concealed carry, blah, blah, blah, you go to the airport, you got you know, your magazine is included inside. There's all kinds of laws and they get you out and then you Oh man, it's it's really, it's really messy man. They got to clean up those gun laws over here too. But then over there as well. You know, I mean, gosh, I feel bad for him.

Harold Hunt: 59:39

So he's sitting there but his we go back to he really did an excellent job would have been me. He turned him around. Yeah, he put him in a situation where the world's noticing him. Ben has nothing but big fights coming forward. And it's just a really, really great opportunity for Ben to really get splashed on On the eyes of the boxing public Yeah, with this win so, and Bomag has so much to do with that. They were saying during the fight that the instructions from Bomag were so clear, his voice was above the crowd and everyone, and it was very distinctive. Yeah, what he was telling Ben to do was very clear and being was performing at the level of His Word. So he was just so interesting instrumental in the way Ben fought. It was clear that been respected and understood and actually executed everything that Bo Mac was saying. So, yeah, it's really a good situation with boatneck.

The Boxing Breakdown Boxing Breakdown: 1:00:43

Yeah. Well, Harold, I just wanted to also, we're rounding rounding out an hour, we're just about done with our broadcast. And I wanted to take a moment to send my condolences to the family and friends and fellow boxers of coach, Michael Stafford, who just recently passed away. And, you know, I don't know much about how he passed away. But I have heard this news as reverberated around the inside boxing world. Coach, Coach Stafford was a beloved coach, an amazing coach that took tons of fighters, tons of them from nothing to being world champions. He also worked with the youth with the amateur program to fighters to the Olympics, etc, etc. You know, this is a man that dedicated his life to boxing, and to the youth and to helping people see a better way, and he will be he'll be sorely missed. And I just wanted to I just wanted to shout out the family and send my condolences out to Adrien Broner. And to though actually, his whole family and the fighters that he's worked with, including Adrien Broner. And you know, the list is the list is enormous but and with that being said, Harold, I think we're just about out of time for this broadcast. So I want to thank you for being with us. Thank you. Yeah, and I want to thank the listeners for tuning in and being with us on the boxing breakdown. And we will see you on the next episode of the boxing breakdown. So peace and love. Don't forget, as right hit hit the like and subscribe and all that good stuff.

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